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    Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    DAMASCUS -- The chief of Palestinian militant group Hamas said his organization is prepared to cooperate with the U.S. in promoting a peaceful resolution to the Arab-Israeli conflict if the White House can secure an Israeli settlement freeze and a lifting of the economic and military blockade of the Gaza Strip.

    Khaled Meshaal, 53 years old, said in a 90-minute interview at Hamas's Syrian headquarters that his political party and military wing would commit to an immediate reciprocal cease-fire with Israel, as well as a prisoner swap that would return Hamas fighters for kidnapped Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit.

    He also said his organization would accept and respect a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders as part of a broader peace agreement with Israel—provided Israeli negotiators accept the right of return for millions of Palestinian refugees and the establishment of a capital for the Palestinian state in East Jerusalem.

    That pledge falls short of recognizing Israel, a necessary step for Hamas to be included in peace talks, but many Middle East diplomats said it could mark an important step toward that goal.


    "Hamas and other Palestinian groups are ready to cooperate with any American, international or regional effort to find a just solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict, to end the Israeli occupation and to grant the Palestinian people their right of self-determination," Mr. Meshaal said.

    A senior White House official said Mr. Obama's administration wouldn't respond to Mr. Meshaal's comments. Mr. Obama has said the U.S. would only hold direct talks with Hamas if it formally renounces terrorism and violence and recognizes the state of Israel. U.S. officials say that to engage directly with Mr. Meshaal would undermine the Palestinian Authority.

    A spokesman for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday dismissed Mr. Meshaal's comments. "Anyone who has been following Khaled Meshaal's comments over the last few months sees clearly that despite some attempts to play with language in a cosmetic way to give the impression of possible policy moderation, he remains rooted in an extremist theology which fundamentally opposes peace and reconciliation," said the spokesman, Mark Regev.

    Hamas in 2006 was elected to rule the Palestinian territories, but a global boycott, Israeli arrests and a 2007 civil war left the group in charge only of the Gaza Strip. Fatah maintains control of the West Bank, leaving the territories bitterly divided.

    Mr. Meshaal said his movement is waiting for Mr. Obama and his special Middle East negotiator, George Mitchell, to present a broader outline for conducting Middle East peace talks.

    Mr. Mitchell has focused on securing an Israeli settlement freeze in disputed areas in return for Arab states beginning to normalize their relations with Israel, such as establishing trade and telecommunications links.

    "If Israel doesn't accept a halt to stop building settlements, what then?" Mr. Meshaal said, seated under photos honoring fallen Hamas leaders and Jerusalem's al Aqsa mosque. "The end of the settlements is a necessary step, but it's not the solution itself."

    Mr. Meshaal's conciliatory positions toward Washington come amid significant political shifts in the region that are affecting Hamas's principal allies.

    This week, Mr. Mitchell met Syrian President Bashar Assad in Damascus and agreed to begin easing U.S. sanctions as part of a growing diplomatic rapprochement between the two rivals. In June, Hezbollah, the Lebanese political party and militia, failed in its bid to gain political power through elections in Beirut. And Iran's government—Hamas's chief arms supplier and financier—has been subsumed in a post-election struggle that could lessen Tehran's ability and willingness to project itself into the Arab-Israeli conflict.

    Some Middle East analysts and Western diplomats said these events could be feeding into Hamas's conciliatory line.

    Syrian officials said this week that they've been advising Hamas to play a more constructive role in Arab-Israeli talks. They specifically cite Hamas's recent offer to enter into a long-term truce with Israel. "We believe Hamas has evolved," Syria's deputy foreign minister, Fayssal Mekded, said Monday. "They are for building and developing a Palestinian state."

    A number of Middle East experts say Hamas's willingness to accept the 1967 borders represents a quasi-recognition of the state of Israel, though the militant group hasn't formally taken this step.

    Hamas's 1988 political charter formally calls for the destruction of Israel and the creation of a Palestinian state on the lands that currently make up the Palestinian territories and Israel. The organization is designated a terrorist organization by the U.S., Israel and the European Union because of its use of suicide bombers against Israeli citizens and military personnel.

    The "Quartet" of bodies seeking to broker Arab-Israeli peace talks, which includes the U.S., EU, United Nations and Russia, has refused to collectively engage Hamas in the process until it formally recognizes Israel's right to exist, and renounces terrorism and violence. Russia has been holding bilateral talks with Hamas.

    Mr. Meshaal's conflict with Israeli authorities is also personal. In 1997, Mr. Netanyahu ordered the assassination of Mr. Meshaal in Jordan and Mossad agents sprayed a lethal toxin into the Hamas official's ear that began shutting down his respiratory system. The late Jordanian monarch, King Hussein, intervened and forced Mr. Netanyahu to dispatch an antidote by threatening to end Jordan's peace treaty with Israel.

    In the interview, Mr. Meshaal offered both conciliation toward the U.S. and the West, and enmity toward Israel and its leadership. "I don't care about Israel—it is our enemy and our occupier and it commits crimes against our people," he said. "Don't ask me about Israel, Israel can talk for itself."

    In recent months, a number of leading European politicians and U.S. foreign-policy luminaries, including former U.S. national security advisers Brent Scowcroft and Zbigniew Brzezinski, have called on Hamas to be formally brought into the peace process.

    Critics of engaging Hamas, including senior members of the Obama administration, are wary of Mr. Meshaal's statements of accepting a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders.

    Palestinian Authority leaders attacked Mr. Meshaal Thursday, saying Hamas was moving arms into the West Bank and trying to launch a "coup" in the territory.

    Mr. Meshaal said Hamas wouldn't be an obstacle to peace. "We along with other Palestinian factions in consensus agreed upon accepting a Palestinian state on the 1967 lines," Mr. Meshaal said. This is the national program. This is our program. This is a position we stand by and respect."
    A.) At what point in time does Hamas finally figure out that their existing policy is a failure?

    B.) Is complete political isolation the solution, or should there be back channel negotiations between Hamas and Israel, or Hamas and the US/UK? Already we have indirect communication with Egypt in the middle between Hamas and Israel. With just recently an Israeli general even suggesting this, is there maybe a point when talks need to step up?

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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    provided Israeli negotiators accept the right of return for millions of Palestinian refugees and the establishment of a capital for the Palestinian state in East Jerusalem.
    Israel would not accept right of return for Palestinians


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    I don't get why anyone takes these stupid offers for ceasefires seriously. The Plalis invariably violate them and scream to the sky that they are victims of this or that, somehow differnt from everyother people in history.
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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I don't get why anyone takes these stupid offers for ceasefires seriously. The Plalis invariably violate them and scream to the sky that they are victims of this or that, somehow differnt from everyother people in history.
    Don't you think the question should be asked, if...
    Middle East diplomats said it could mark an important step toward that goal..
    Then does it bear any merit to at least attempt discussions either officially, or unofficially, by either Israel or the US/UK?

    While I believe it is very obvious Hamas have tied themselves to a dead failing policy that has absolutely no merit what so ever, I have to then question whether it is wise to continue with complete isolation? I am not suggesting any international change in recognition, but rather low level discussions.

    Keep in mind that at one time it was thought impossible, the entire notion ludicrous, for Israel and Egypt to talk. Yet the Sinai is now back in Egypt's hands, we just saw the news recently of Israeli ships gaining access to the canal (military ships) which was the point of contention in the 67 war. Egypt is a vital conduit for Israel to the entire Middle East, most of whom are nations that have yet to even recognize officially Israel's existence. So what I think I mean to say is that no matter how "bad" we do paint Hamas, it is not beyond the realm of possibilities.

    Remember, the turn around in Iraq began before the whole "surge" when the U.S. began discussions with the very insurgent groups we where fighting. We were able to turn them around, and now we have armed them ourselves; the very enemy we were once fighting. Israel can not defeat Hamas militarily, so what other option is there?

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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I don't get why anyone takes these stupid offers for ceasefires seriously. The Plalis invariably violate them and scream to the sky that they are victims of this or that, somehow differnt from everyother people in history.
    Agreed... I also think it's funny how the Palestinians think they can dictate the terms of a cease fire, when they are the losers.

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    Hey Sam,

    How about this Hams and any other terror group must do the following before they are allowed to even think about talking.

    1 Requnize Israel

    2 Disarm and turn in all of it's weapons (Like the IRA)

    3 Remove All radical Imans

    4 Publically denounce Iran


    Do these and then maybe they can sit at the table

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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    He also said his organization would accept and respect a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders as part of a broader peace agreement with Israel—provided Israeli negotiators accept the right of return for millions of Palestinian refugees and the establishment of a capital for the Palestinian state in East Jerusalem.
    That’s the same terms as the infamous Saudi plan. In other words, their so-called solution is not a solution cause it creates a Muslim majority state in Israel where Sharia would be immediately imposed thereby bringing Israel back into the folds of the Dar al Islam and at the same time making the Jews oppressed and degraded dhimmis in their own state. Where in a matter of time, they would eventually be killed or driven out.

    Meanwhile, what penalty did the Arabs pay for their illegal war of aggression against the Jewish state in 1967? Israel is the only country ever in history that has relinquished territory it acquired legally through conquest.

    In any event, negotiating with Muslims is a fool’s game because they will stab you in the back the instant you turn your back. Indeed, that is one of the reasons B. Hussein Obama is so naïve and gullible.

    Nevertheless, the Obama administration has been working ever since it came to power to mainstream Hamas, one of the most vicious terrorist organizations in the world, that not only calls for the annihilation of Israel, but also the destruction of America.

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    A.) At what point in time does Hamas finally figure out that their existing policy is a failure?
    Never is going to happen. The Palestinians are the proxy of the Dar al Islam and the jihad against Israel just like the larger global jihad at large is permanent. If Hamas leader Meshaal suddenly got struck by lightening or something, miraculously decided to recognize Israel’s right to exist, and made peace with Israel. The Dar al Islam would rise up against him, kill him, and replace him with someone else who would do their bidding for them.

    B.) Is complete political isolation the solution, or should there be back channel negotiations between Hamas and Israel, or Hamas and the US/UK? Already we have indirect communication with Egypt in the middle between Hamas and Israel. With just recently an Israeli general even suggesting this, is there maybe a point when talks need to step up?
    Talking and negotiating with Muslims much less terrorists like Meshaal and Hamas is a fool’s errand. As soon as the first good opportunity arose, they would stab the kafirs in the back.

    Indeed, look up and study Muhammad’s famous treaty of Hudaibiyya with the Meccans. The treaty of Hudaibiyya is the model by which all treaties between Muslims and kafirs (non-Muslims) are applied.

    The Dar al Islam’s jihad against Israel is permanent and irresolvable just like its jihads against Kashmir, Jammu, India, Bangladesh, Thailand, the Philippines, East Timor, Malaysia, Indonesia, China, Russia, Chechnya, Kosovo, Bosnia, Southern Sudan, Darfur, Nigeria, throughout the Horn of Africa, North African, and Northwest Africa, not to mention the ongoing stealth jihads taking place throughout Western Europe, North and South America, Australia, and New Zealand.

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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Anyone who truly wants peace for his or her country and the security i would provide for their children and children's children would gladly set down at the negotiating table with no preconditions what so ever, let alone ones that they know from the outset are unacceptable to the other side. This is another ploy to garner support from those in the Arab world who will, when this phony offer is turned down jump up and scream it's Israels fault and that alone justifies any resumed hostilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbeaux View Post

    The Dar al Islam’s jihad against Israel is permanent and irresolvable just like its jihads against Kashmir, Jammu, India, Bangladesh, Thailand, the Philippines, East Timor, Malaysia, Indonesia, China, Russia, Chechnya, Kosovo, Bosnia, Southern Sudan, Darfur, Nigeria, throughout the Horn of Africa, North African, and Northwest Africa, not to mention the ongoing stealth jihads taking place throughout Western Europe, North and South America, Australia, and New Zealand.
    Two hours ago.


    Jihad, USA

    "In the 14-page federal indictment unsealed Monday, Boyd and his six “colleagues” are charged with plotting to murder, kidnap and maim individuals overseas. Prosecutors maintain that Boyd ��” who goes by the name “Saifullah,” meaning “sword of Allah” ��” is a “veteran of terrorist training camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan” and that he recruited his sons and other U.S. citizens to travel overseas for waging “violent jihad.” An eighth conspirator is being sought in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

    The seven-count indictment details a conspiracy that commenced in 2006 and continued until just before the arrests. It alleges that the defendants trained for battle in the U.S., planned to die as “martyrs,” and raised funds to support their training and recruit others to their cause overseas. It also accuses Boyd of taking one of his sons to Gaza in March 2006 to introduce the young man to individuals who “believed that violent jihad was a religious obligation.” A year later, Boyd and several of the other defendants apparently went to Israel in an unsuccessful effort to wage jihad."


    By their own definition true muslims. It is getting rough out there.
    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    By their own definition true muslims. It is getting rough out there.
    There is no such thing as a 'true Muslim'


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