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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Wow, thanks for openly admitting that you are a racist and supporter of genocide.
    Because I was speaking about a race.
    Wow, thanks for admitting that you're an idiot.
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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The people who suffer the most in war are the every day people who just wish the politics would shut up. It's people like you and I who play philosophical chess with their lives. I think they deserve more respect.
    I don't play philosophical chess with anyone's lives, I'm guarding the lives on my own side of the border.
    The Palestinians have the power to change their government, they do not do this.
    Look at the life in the West Bank, and then look at the Gaza Strip.
    If Hamas had no supporters it wouldn't exist to start with.
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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Because I was speaking about a race.
    Calling for the extermination of the entire Palestinian people (which is, of course, what you did when you lumped them all together as "they") is not only racist but genocidal as well.

    You can whine and try to divert the issue by claiming that you're not racist, but the fact remains that you have just admitted to supporting the killing of an entire people. I don't really care if you call it racist or not, as your own words have subverted any position you have on the conflict.
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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Calling for the extermination of the entire Palestinian people (which is, of course, what you did when you lumped them all together as "they") is not only racist but genocidal as well.

    You can whine and try to divert the issue by claiming that you're not racist, but the fact remains that you have just admitted to supporting the killing of an entire people. I don't really care if you call it racist or not, as your own words have subverted any position you have on the conflict.
    I wasn't aware Palestinian is a race, Arab is.
    You should get your facts straight before using such accusations, something that is unfortunately very common with ultra-leftist radicals.
    Besides, I have meant to those same people who have started the war against Israel in 1948, they should have been killed for starting this war and I am not going to hide my opinions about war-starters.
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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I wasn't aware Palestinian is a race, Arab is.
    You should get your facts straight before using such accusations, something that is unfortunately very common with ultra-leftist radicals.
    Besides, I have meant to those same people who have started the war against Israel in 1948, they should have been killed for starting this war and I am not going to hide my opinions about war-starters.
    Palestinians aren't Arabs. This is a term that was applied to them erroneously by colonials. They speak Arabic but this does not make them Arab. Their lineage is actually long and complex, combined with many different ethnicities (due to a variety of conquering forces over the years), but their original genetic code dates to the area in pre-Islamic times.

    Proper Arabs come from Northern Africa, and are dark skinned.

    Israelis and Palestinians share much of the same ethnic background in terms of the mixing that has occurred. It is ironic that the colonial occupiers divided them into two nations upon leaving... because they are essentially one people, ethnically speaking.

    Maybe you should get your facts straight before you go off on other people.

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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Palestinians aren't Arabs. This is a term that was applied to them erroneously by colonials. They speak Arabic but this does not make them Arab. Their lineage is actually long and complex, combined with many different ethnicities (due to a variety of conquering forces over the years), but their original genetic code dates to the area in pre-Islamic times.

    Proper Arabs come from Northern Africa, and are dark skinned.

    Israelis and Palestinians share much of the same ethnic background in terms of the mixing that has occurred. It is ironic that the colonial occupiers divided them into two nations upon leaving... because they are essentially one people, ethnically speaking.

    Maybe you should get your facts straight before you go off on other people.
    I'm sorry but you're bringing wrong facts into the argument here.
    Palestinians are as Arab as they come, Gaza is mostly of Egyptian blood, West Bank of Saudi and Syrian blood.
    They are by no means different from Israeli Arabs, as those were the same people who chose not to flee the land in 1948.
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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I'm sorry but you're bringing wrong facts into the argument here.
    Palestinians are as Arab as they come, Gaza is mostly of Egyptian blood, West Bank of Saudi and Syrian blood.
    They are by no means different from Israeli Arabs, as those were the same people who chose not to flee the land in 1948.
    Quote Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_Palestine_and_Palestinian#By_ethnic _origin
    The word "Palestinian" is occasionally used by ethnographers and linguists to denote the specific Arab subculture of the southern Levant; in that sense, it includes not only the Arabs of British Mandate Palestine, but also those inhabitants of Jordan who are originally from Palestine and the Druze, while excluding both Bedouin (who culturally and linguistically group with Arabia) and ethnic minorities such as the Dom and Samaritans. However, some of this definition is not accepted. The Samaritans of the West Bank are usually referred to as Palestinian.[10]

    [edit] Referring to Jews in an ethnic rather than religious sense
    The term "Palestinian" used to refer to Jews in Europe who were regarded as an alien presence. For example, Immanuel Kant referred to European Jews as "the Palestinians living among us."[11]
    As I said, some are ethnically Arab, but many are not. Palestinians, like Israelis, have a mixed heritage and their regions are multi-ethnic by definition. To refer to Palestinians as "Arab" alone is completely incorrect.

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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    As I said, some are ethnically Arab, but many are not. Palestinians, like Israelis, have a mixed heritage and their regions are multi-ethnic by definition. To refer to Palestinians as "Arab" alone is completely incorrect.
    My point was that most of the Palestinians are Arabs.
    I am aware of the existent of Palestinian Druze, and other minority races.
    Again, Palestinian is not a race, your arguments are futile.
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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    My point was that most of the Palestinians are Arabs.
    Cite this with a peer reviewed source. Thanks.

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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse
    Again, Palestinian is not a race, your arguments are futile.
    Quote Originally Posted by Me
    You can whine and try to divert the issue by claiming that you're not racist, but the fact remains that you have just admitted to supporting the killing of an entire people. I don't really care if you call it racist or not, as your own words have subverted any position you have on the conflict.
    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse
    Besides, I have meant to those same people who have started the war against Israel in 1948, they should have been killed for starting this war and I am not going to hide my opinions about war-starters.
    Unfortunately, though, your "they" was referring to all Palestinian refugees and not merely "war starters".
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