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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    What is there to talk about anyway Sam huh Hamas is nothing more then a bunch of animals that should be hunted down and killed.

    In post #6 I pointed out the only way Hamas should even be consider allowed at any table.
    Consider the following:

    A.) Hamas is labeled a terrorist organization by the U.S., but has never conducted a single operation known against the U.S. The only Palestinian terror against U.S. interests have been by outlier groups associated more with Marxists. In fact, in 2001 Hamas leaders warned of Al-Qaeda influence among Palestinians as destructive. Jailed Hamas leaders have stated that Al-Qaeda must not be allowed to grow or operate in their territory.

    B.) It is no secret that the U.S. negotiated with insurgents in Iraq we labeled as terrorists, as well as the Taliban now. We also once labeled the PLO as terrorists, yet look at how things are now.

    Again I would reiterate that the thought once of Israel and Egypt conducting a peace accord was unthinkable. It was also even more unthinkable that Yassir Arafat representing the PLO would be shaking hands with Rabin. Yet there they were just a decade ago on the White House lawn.

    Question is if Hamas is sending out "feelers", shouldn't this at least be considered? By the way, I am not naive enough to think there is not already communication between the two. I believe part of the policy in restoring relations with Syria was meant not just as an attempt to wedge Iran from Syria, but also Iran from Hamas. I think a further goal may very well be an attempt at pushing Syria to exert pressure on Hamas to change their policy.

    I think most will acknowledge that there will be no peaceful solution without Hamas's involvement. They are after all a major player that controls as much power as the P.A.

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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    The problem is Hamas has NEVER kept their word, and they need to do some proving they are serious before Israel should even BOTHER listening to them.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The problem is Hamas has NEVER kept their word, and they need to do some proving they are serious before Israel should even BOTHER listening to them.
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    ......Don’t get into the business of apportioning historical blame for this conflict, which his Cairo speech veered into. Palestinians don’t believe they are to blame for this problem; neither do Israelis. A religious Israeli professor friend of mine said it well: “People will give a lot if they think they are not guilty. My mother says to me: ‘Look, I am ready to give them Jerusalem, but don’t tell me that I started it.’ ”
    It does make a lot of sense, as too often it seems the entire debate is always entirely on past acts, without any substantial discussion on the future. He was not referring I believe at all to Hamas, but rather the P.A. who are seen as the only legitimate negotiating body. But that in itself represents a problem as the P.A. in reality only represent a portion of the population both political and social.

    So then is the solution to force the P.A. to negotiate solely with Hamas and win at least recognition that the P.A. is the only body that can have talks? I doubt Hamas would ever agree to that. My impression is they want to be at the table, at the very least for fear of the possibility a settlement could be reached by the P.A. alone.

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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Israel allowing Palestinians to return?

    hahahaha

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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Whatever Hamas proposes will probably never work. Those lying bastards don't want peace.
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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Israel allowing Palestinians to return?

    hahahaha
    If they have their own state, what do they need to return for?
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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    If they have their own state, what do they need to return for?
    You mean all the refugees that have fled to neighbouring countries and abroad in order to avoid persecution and destruction of their livelihood?

    If Palestine became its own state, then obviously those people would want to return to their home land.

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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    You mean all the refugees that have fled to neighbouring countries and abroad in order to avoid persecution and destruction of their livelihood?
    Do not try to paint it as if they were poor innocents who've fled the land after Israel has started a war with them and chased them out.
    They started a war with Israel, yes, a war, in order to destroy, yes, destroy the Jewish state.
    They should have been killed, I have no mercy for war starters and their supporters, they caused a lot of bloodshed and that is their punishment.

    Also, on a side note, the ones who've fled the area are not the only ones who count as 'refugees'.
    Their sons count as refugees as well, and so are their grandsons and their great grandsons and so on.
    Get them all together and that's some millions of refugees, if Israel lets them in, as a democracy, it will be directly causing its own destruction.
    No nation would ever do that, no matter how much you're going to whine about poor war-starters who've fled their lands.
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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Do not try to paint it as if they were poor innocents who've fled the land after Israel has started a war with them and chased them out.
    They started a war with Israel, yes, a war, in order to destroy, yes, destroy the Jewish state.
    They should have been killed, I have no mercy for war starters and their supporters, they caused a lot of bloodshed and that is their punishment.

    Also, on a side note, the ones who've fled the area are not the only ones who count as 'refugees'.
    Their sons count as refugees as well, and so are their grandsons and their great grandsons and so on.
    Get them all together and that's some millions of refugees, if Israel lets them in, as a democracy, it will be directly causing its own destruction.
    No nation would ever do that, no matter how much you're going to whine about poor war-starters who've fled their lands.
    I'm reluctant to brand all Palestinians in the same light as their corrupt, terrorist government. So... think what you want, it's not that black and white. I've personally met Palestinian people in my travels who fled because they wanted to have some sort of normalcy, and they did not support their government's actions at all.

    The people who suffer the most in war are the every day people who just wish the politics would shut up. It's people like you and I who play philosophical chess with their lives. I think they deserve more respect.

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    Re: Hamas Chief Outlines Terms for Talks on Arab-Israeli Peace

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse
    Do not try to paint it as if they were poor innocents who've fled the land after Israel has started a war with them and chased them out.
    They started a war with Israel, yes, a war, in order to destroy, yes, destroy the Jewish state.
    They should have been killed, I have no mercy for war starters and their supporters, they caused a lot of bloodshed and that is their punishment.
    Wow, thanks for openly admitting that you are a racist and supporter of genocide.
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