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    Re: Iran Begins Trial of Postelection Protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    The same UN which Israel sometimes complains interfers in their domestic issues?
    It doesn't interfere in Israel's domestic issues, it mostly violates Israel's right to self-defense but let's not hijack the thread shall we?
    UN is not there to interfer on every country in the world. You forget who makes up UN, other nations. It is by no stretch of the word, neutral.
    Have you studied in history class why the UN was made?
    Clue: It was made right after WWII ended.
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    Re: Iran Begins Trial of Postelection Protesters

    That is not what i said.
    I said you seem to forget who makes up the UN. Where does when UN was made come into this?

    Other nations make up the United Nations (hence the title) and if UN decides to act, it would be because individual nations wants to interfer


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    Re: Iran Begins Trial of Postelection Protesters

    If you have truly studied the UN, then you should know that its modern capacity has far exceeded what it was originally meant to do, which was to prevent and monitor conflicts between sovereign powers. In the modern world, it is now trotting the thin line between respecting sovereignty and outright interfering in the domestic affairs of countries. One example is interfering in genocides, and the monitoring of the security of nuclear weapons through inspection programs.

    It was never designed to be a supra-international enforcer of things that we think are right according to our cultural values, such as democracy. So saying that Iran's rigged election should defer to a UN ruling is a bogus claim. It is not the UN's jurisdiction and never was. It is the job of Iranians to revolt.

    Furthermore, the Security Council veto, combined with the unwillingness of founding nations to stand up for the original founding values of the UN, are the main reasons why the effectiveness of the UN has erroded over time. There are too many agendas at play in that organization, and yes the U.S. and Israel are foremost contenders among the rest.

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    Re: Iran Begins Trial of Postelection Protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    That is not what i said.
    I said you seem to forget who makes up the UN. Where does when UN was made come into this?

    Other nations make up the United Nations (hence the title) and if UN decides to act, it would be because individual nations wants to interfer
    The UN is a body that is made up from the world's nations.
    It is an independent body, however, and you can see it as a democratic organization where every person has his voice, and obviously, his agenda.
    One could therefore expect the UN to act and interfere in Iran's domestic affairs through resolutions made by the Human rights assembly, something that happens in other places in the world, but not in Iran.
    Hence, it is completely legitimate to blame the UN for not interfering in the situation that is currently on-going in Iran, and not moving a finger to prevent the damage done to the rights of the Iranians as a people, as a nation, as individuals.
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    Re: Iran Begins Trial of Postelection Protesters

    The UN is not there to police every country in the world nor does it have the authority (or power) to say if Iranian elections was wrong or not.
    That is for the citizens of Iran to do.
    Last edited by Laila; 08-01-09 at 11:40 AM.


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    Re: Iran Begins Trial of Postelection Protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The UN is a body that is made up from the world's nations.
    It is an independent body, however, and you can see it as a democratic organization where every person has his voice, and obviously, his agenda.
    One could therefore expect the UN to act and interfere in Iran's domestic affairs through resolutions made by the Human rights assembly, something that happens in other places in the world, but not in Iran.
    Hence, it is completely legitimate to blame the UN for not interfering in the situation that is currently on-going in Iran, and not moving a finger to prevent the damage done to the rights of the Iranians as a people, as a nation, as individuals.
    If that's the way you feel then it is your duty to contact your political representative and make your voice known. The UN doesn't represent you, they do. Tell them that you expect Obama to make a statement as well as use the United States' membership in the UN for action on this matter.

    Complaining to us is not going to get you anywhere.

    EDIT: Sorry, I just realized you are in Israel. But you get the idea.
    Last edited by Orion; 08-01-09 at 11:48 AM.

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    Re: Iran Begins Trial of Postelection Protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    EDIT: Sorry, I just realized you are in Israel. But you get the idea.
    No I don't.
    Should I contact the Iranian politicians?

    Anyway, the UN has implied that one of its jobs is to maintain the rights of people all across the world.
    I'm just saying that they need to follow their own words.
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    Re: Iran Begins Trial of Postelection Protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    No I don't.
    Should I contact the Iranian politicians?

    Anyway, the UN has implied that one of its jobs is to maintain the rights of people all across the world.
    I'm just saying that they need to follow their own words.
    The United Nations was founded after World War to replace the League of Nations and its sole purpose was to stop wars between nations and in many cases provide a platform for dialogue and diplomacy.


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    Re: Iran Begins Trial of Postelection Protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    The United Nations was founded after World War to replace the League of Nations and its sole purpose was to stop wars between nations and in many cases provide a platform for dialogue and diplomacy.
    Bzzzzzt, wrong answer.

    The United Nations was founded at the end of World War II in the purpose of maintaining peace in the international, social, economic and pretty much nearly every existing field.
    This includes; preventing wars, preventing unfair trade, preventing human rights violations, etc.
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    Re: Iran Begins Trial of Postelection Protesters

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    This includes; preventing wars, preventing unfair trade, preventing human rights violations, etc.
    If UN spoke on human rights violations, it would be condemning non stop from Israel to UK and US. It simply does not have the power or authority

    UN should not get involved in this issue. This is a problem for Iranian citizens
    If you or I wish to register our protest, we can contact our representatives


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