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    Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    New Policy Allows Chicago Police Officers To Shoot At Fleeing Vehicles - cbs2chicago.com
    CHICAGO (CBS) -- The Chicago Police Department is considering a major change in policy regarding the use of deadly force.

    The department is looking at allowing police officers to fire their guns under circumstances where they previously could not.

    The new policy, from police Supt. Jody Weis and confirmed by WBBM Newsradio 780 Wednesday morning, would allow police officers to shoot at fleeing vehicles if the driver or passengers are suspected of committing a felony.
    Wow... isn't that awesome, cops can just go around shooting cars that are 'fleeing'... if they are a 'suspected' felon.

    No, cops wouldn't abuse that... now, even if you ARE a felon and running from cops... the adrenline is already pumping enough that the person running almost DESERVES the beat down he gets once caught. Telling cops, someone runs you can shoot... let's say their's a drunk driving checkpoint and someone tries to run it cause they are drunk (on it's own not quite a 'felony') are they telling me that cops just won't pull out their guns and start shooting??

    But hey "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear." The biggest fallacy ever... since there's no limit to that. We just want to take a walkthrough your house... no, 'what have you got to hide??'

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    The Chicago Police Office of News Affairs issued a statement this afternoon denying media reports that officers will now be allowed to open fire on suspects fleeing in vehicles.

    "The Department is currently reviewing the existing order to eliminate unnecessary language, provide officers with more clear direction and comply with nationally accepted best practices, as well as existing state statutes and federal law," according to a press release.

    The press release goes on to say "So contrary to earlier news reports, no changes have been made to the Department's use of deadly force policy."
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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Police officers should be allowed to shoot people for fleeing from them. This is a case of "if you haven't done anything wrong", because people who haven't done anything wrong don't run from the police.

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    I am all for it. I believe we should have reimplemented this a long time ago. Why allow someone feeing to put innocents at risk? Granted I can see it being abused on occation but with modern camera equipment found in all police cars I suspect it would be minimal.

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    Another one of those common sense laws. Good news, that.
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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I am all for it. I believe we should have reimplemented this a long time ago. Why allow someone feeing to put innocents at risk?
    This seems like a pretty weak justification.

    Do you really think the danger from felons fleeing would be greater than the danger from officers shooting at every fleeing felon?

    Regardless of what you think about the philosophy behind the policy, it seems like a bad idea in practice.
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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This seems like a pretty weak justification.

    Do you really think the danger from felons fleeing would be greater than the danger from officers shooting at every fleeing felon?

    Regardless of what you think about the philosophy behind the policy, it seems like a bad idea in practice.
    It would all depend on the method and implementation of force. In some situations it would be a very poor idea but I believe they should have the option if a good situation presents its self.

    Then again I believe they should be able to shoot all fleeing suspects.

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    It would all depend on the method and implementation of force. In some situations it would be a very poor idea but I believe they should have the option if a good situation presents its self.
    This isn't unreasonable, but I believe most places already have an exception allowing this where there is a legitimate threat to the officers or community.

    Then again I believe they should be able to shoot all fleeing suspects.
    This is a terrible idea. It worked centuries ago when all felonies were punished with death, but it has no place in a modern society.
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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Chicago police fire back on deadly force report

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    Police officers should be allowed to shoot people for fleeing from them. This is a case of "if you haven't done anything wrong", because people who haven't done anything wrong don't run from the police.
    At face value, yes I agree with you. But when it hits the streets, giving cops the authority to pull their guns out when 'fleeing' and 'suspected felons'... Consider, how many seconds do you have to pull over before it counts as 'fleeing'?

    What if the cop is having a particularly bad day and pulls someone over he tells them 'run'... "What? I had to... they looked liked al-quaida and they fleed from me so I shot them."

    Plus there is a vast difference between someone fleeing the scene (not something that I'd urge anyone to do), since it's pretty much a guaranteed prison term WHEN you get caught. Is very different then someone that is attempting to flee and trying to run down a cop... then by all means stop the guy. I'd rather keep the laws TIGHT and have to deal an officer then at its extreme which would be your turnoff just happens to be a block before a checkpoint the cops say 'he's fleeing' and the open fire.

    I understand there needs to be a line drawn as to when it's appropriate for a cop to pull out his gun... let's not make the laws so that cops feel the need to pull the trigger a lot more then they already do.... which admittedly is generally a justified action to take... afterall, at the end of the day a wants to go home safe, and I don't blame them.

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Police officers should be allowed to shoot people for fleeing from them. This is a case of "if you haven't done anything wrong", because people who haven't done anything wrong don't run from the police.
    I agree with that. Innocent people do not run from the police. With dash cams the "oh they might tell someone to run so they can shoot them" is a load of nonsense. If they can quickly take out someone they can avoid a high speed chase thus reduce the danger the person running the cops poses to other drivers and people.
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