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Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

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New Policy Allows Chicago Police Officers To Shoot At Fleeing Vehicles - cbs2chicago.com
CHICAGO (CBS) -- The Chicago Police Department is considering a major change in policy regarding the use of deadly force.

The department is looking at allowing police officers to fire their guns under circumstances where they previously could not.

The new policy, from police Supt. Jody Weis and confirmed by WBBM Newsradio 780 Wednesday morning, would allow police officers to shoot at fleeing vehicles if the driver or passengers are suspected of committing a felony.
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Wow... isn't that awesome, cops can just go around shooting cars that are 'fleeing'... if they are a 'suspected' felon.

No, cops wouldn't abuse that... now, even if you ARE a felon and running from cops... the adrenline is already pumping enough that the person running almost DESERVES the beat down he gets once caught. Telling cops, someone runs you can shoot... let's say their's a drunk driving checkpoint and someone tries to run it cause they are drunk (on it's own not quite a 'felony') are they telling me that cops just won't pull out their guns and start shooting??

But hey "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear." The biggest fallacy ever... since there's no limit to that. We just want to take a walkthrough your house... no, 'what have you got to hide??'

Is it just me, or is America starting to look more and more like an occupied country?
 
The Chicago Police Office of News Affairs issued a statement this afternoon denying media reports that officers will now be allowed to open fire on suspects fleeing in vehicles.

"The Department is currently reviewing the existing order to eliminate unnecessary language, provide officers with more clear direction and comply with nationally accepted best practices, as well as existing state statutes and federal law," according to a press release.

The press release goes on to say "So contrary to earlier news reports, no changes have been made to the Department's use of deadly force policy."
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http://www.examiner.com/x-7520-Chic...icago-police-fire-back-on-deadly-force-report

Sorry to get you all hyped up for nothing.
 
Police officers should be allowed to shoot people for fleeing from them. This is a case of "if you haven't done anything wrong", because people who haven't done anything wrong don't run from the police.
 
I am all for it. I believe we should have reimplemented this a long time ago. Why allow someone feeing to put innocents at risk? Granted I can see it being abused on occation but with modern camera equipment found in all police cars I suspect it would be minimal.
 
Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars
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Another one of those common sense laws. Good news, that.
 
Baralis said:
I am all for it. I believe we should have reimplemented this a long time ago. Why allow someone feeing to put innocents at risk?
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This seems like a pretty weak justification.

Do you really think the danger from felons fleeing would be greater than the danger from officers shooting at every fleeing felon?

Regardless of what you think about the philosophy behind the policy, it seems like a bad idea in practice.
 
RightinNYC said:
This seems like a pretty weak justification.

Do you really think the danger from felons fleeing would be greater than the danger from officers shooting at every fleeing felon?

Regardless of what you think about the philosophy behind the policy, it seems like a bad idea in practice.
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It would all depend on the method and implementation of force. In some situations it would be a very poor idea but I believe they should have the option if a good situation presents its self.

Then again I believe they should be able to shoot all fleeing suspects.
 
Baralis said:
It would all depend on the method and implementation of force. In some situations it would be a very poor idea but I believe they should have the option if a good situation presents its self.
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This isn't unreasonable, but I believe most places already have an exception allowing this where there is a legitimate threat to the officers or community.

Then again I believe they should be able to shoot all fleeing suspects.
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This is a terrible idea. It worked centuries ago when all felonies were punished with death, but it has no place in a modern society.
 
RightinNYC said:
Chicago police fire back on deadly force report

Sorry to get you all hyped up for nothing.
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Thankfully...

Korimyr the Rat said:
Police officers should be allowed to shoot people for fleeing from them. This is a case of "if you haven't done anything wrong", because people who haven't done anything wrong don't run from the police.
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At face value, yes I agree with you. But when it hits the streets, giving cops the authority to pull their guns out when 'fleeing' and 'suspected felons'... Consider, how many seconds do you have to pull over before it counts as 'fleeing'?

What if the cop is having a particularly bad day and pulls someone over he tells them 'run'... "What? I had to... they looked liked al-quaida and they fleed from me so I shot them."

Plus there is a vast difference between someone fleeing the scene (not something that I'd urge anyone to do), since it's pretty much a guaranteed prison term WHEN you get caught. Is very different then someone that is attempting to flee and trying to run down a cop... then by all means stop the guy. I'd rather keep the laws TIGHT and have to deal an officer then at its extreme which would be your turnoff just happens to be a block before a checkpoint the cops say 'he's fleeing' and the open fire.

I understand there needs to be a line drawn as to when it's appropriate for a cop to pull out his gun... let's not make the laws so that cops feel the need to pull the trigger a lot more then they already do.... which admittedly is generally a justified action to take... afterall, at the end of the day a wants to go home safe, and I don't blame them.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Police officers should be allowed to shoot people for fleeing from them. This is a case of "if you haven't done anything wrong", because people who haven't done anything wrong don't run from the police.
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I agree with that. Innocent people do not run from the police. With dash cams the "oh they might tell someone to run so they can shoot them" is a load of nonsense. If they can quickly take out someone they can avoid a high speed chase thus reduce the danger the person running the cops poses to other drivers and people.
 
jamesrage said:
I agree with that. Innocent people do not run from the police. With dash cams the "oh they might tell someone to run so they can shoot them" is a load of nonsense. If they can quickly take out someone they can avoid a high speed chase thus reduce the danger the person running the cops poses to other drivers and people.
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People might run from the cops for tons of things.

They might be drunk.
They might have a joint on them.
They might have a bunch of outstanding parking tickets.
They might have a stolen cell phone.
They might be an axe murderer on the loose.

How are the police supposed to know whether the person fleeing has committed a felony or not?

Are you proposing that the police be able to shoot anyone for any crime if they try to flee?
 
Baralis said:
I am all for it. I believe we should have reimplemented this a long time ago. Why allow someone feeing to put innocents at risk? Granted I can see it being abused on occation but with modern camera equipment found in all police cars I suspect it would be minimal.
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It's a bad idea. Scratch that, it's a dumb idea.

Random flying bullets and civilian populations are an extremely bad combination.
 
Probably no worse than the high-speed chases they're now engaging in, running citizens off the road left and right.
 
RightinNYC said:
People might run from the cops for tons of things.

They might be drunk.
They might have a joint on them.
They might have a bunch of outstanding parking tickets.
They might have a stolen cell phone.
They might be an axe murderer on the loose.
How are the police supposed to know whether the person fleeing has committed a felony or not?
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Irrelevant. They shouldn't be trying to flee police. A dead cellphone thief is much better result than a injured or dead law abiding citizen who was ran into by the scumbag fleeing police.


Are you proposing that the police be able to shoot anyone for any crime if they try to flee?
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Prison guards shoot inmates who try to escape.Inmates range from junkies all the way to murderers.
 
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jamesrage said:
Irrelevant. They shouldn't be trying to flee police. A dead cellphone thief is much better result than a injured or dead law abiding citizen who was ran into by the scumbag fleeing police.
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A guy running down the street is going to kill people?

How fast is he running? :lol:

Prison guards shoot inmates who try to escape.Inmates range from junkies all the way to murderers.
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Can you think of a difference between a convict and someone who has not been convicted of anything?
 
Shooting a handgun at a moving vehicle, even trying to hit tires is a dumb idea. We are considering that the cop doesn't have the gun even drawn yet. Drawing down on a small target, moving away from you, with a weapon that has limited effective range?

Seems like a waste of perfectly good ammunition to me.

Now if they had .50 cals mounted on the police cars......;)
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Police officers should be allowed to shoot people for fleeing from them. This is a case of "if you haven't done anything wrong", because people who haven't done anything wrong don't run from the police.
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Why not !! Why bother wih an arrest and trial and setencing and a need for prisons? Look if we just authorize the police to execute anyone who they think has committed a crime or maybe will committ a crime we will introduce efficiency into our criminal justice system. As a matter of fact if we adopt my proposal we can just just down the criminal justice system and save all sorts of money.
 
Let me get this straight. One state allows cops to shoot at fleeing cars but in another they can't arrest emotionally unstable, uncooperative, resistive, offensive, racially hateful people on the porch?

Well goddam. Pretty soon we're gonna need a lawyer to take a ****.
 
celticlord said:
It's a bad idea. Scratch that, it's a dumb idea.

Random flying bullets and civilian populations are an extremely bad combination.
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I absolutely agree that "Random flying bullets and civilian populations are an extremely bad combination". What I would do is develop an intelligent missle that will identify a automobile and let the police use those to stop the criminals who try tp flee from the police. In fact the missle weapons can be use to stop speeders, people supected of DWI, driving while Black, driving while liberal or while an illegal alien, etc. Just think if the criminals have their families in the car we can not only wipe out the current criminals but also future criminals. The more that I think of it ACM -Anti Criminal Missle has great potential.
 
Imagine if we could use a laser carrier to implant a radioactive marker on those vehicles trying to allude capture by the police. Just point and click. Then retreat and go about the business of the day elsewhere.

And then let the 24/7, circling aerial drone, hone in on the "painted" target, and then, at an oppertune time, blow the vehicle off the face of the planet. Taliban their ass! Woooohooo!

How cool would that be? :mrgreen:
 
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Captain America said:
Let me get this straight. One state allows cops to shoot at fleeing cars but in another they can't arrest emotionally unstable, uncooperative, resistive, offensive, racially hateful people on the porch?

Well goddam. Pretty soon we're gonna need a lawyer to take a ****.
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Will that be cash or credit? :lol:
 
Captain America said:
Imagine if we could use a laser carrier to implant a radioactive marker on those vehicles trying to allude capture by the police. Just point and click. Then retreat and go about the business of the day elsewhere.

And then let the 24/7, circling aerial drone, hone in on the "painted" target, and then, at an oppertune time, blow the vehicle off the face of the planet. Taliban their ass! Woooohooo!

How cool would that be? :mrgreen:
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Why stop short with lasers and such. We need to develope a weapon that will just reduce or transform the criminals and their vehicles along with the entire contents into vapor. That way there is no need for garbage disposal.
 
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WI Crippler said:
Shooting a handgun at a moving vehicle, even trying to hit tires is a dumb idea. We are considering that the cop doesn't have the gun even drawn yet. Drawing down on a small target, moving away from you, with a weapon that has limited effective range?

Seems like a waste of perfectly good ammunition to me.

Now if they had .50 cals mounted on the police cars......;)
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50 Cals would create too many colateral damage claims. Maybe during the imterim while we develope real hi-tech weapons we can equip the cops with a smaller calibre gatteling gun but that needs a computerized intelligent laser targeting system that will aquire and lock onto the correct target. RATE OF FIRE NEEDS TO BE 1800 - 2400 PER MINUTE. I am thinking something in the 30 cal range maybe smaller. Maybe something in the varmit calibre range like .204 and increase the rate of fire. There aresome possibilities here if we work at it.
 
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For those that are for this being legal, it is all great until a pregnant female is killed either as the driver or passenger.
 
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