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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Again, it isn't up to the police to determine guilt or innocence. If the police are authorized to shoot at someone suspected to be guilty, then we are authorizing our police to be judge, jury, and executioners. No thanks.
    If the subject attempts to murder/death/kill/injure/harm/maim an officer, then the question of guilt has been answered.

    But, again, if you're innocent, you have no reason to run. Simple as that.

    I've never run from the cops and it's worked out great everytime.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

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    Again, it isn't up to the police to determine guilt or innocence. If the police are authorized to shoot at someone suspected to be guilty, then we are authorizing our police to be judge, jury, and executioners. No thanks.
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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

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    But, again, if you're innocent, you have no reason to run. Simple as that.

    I've never run from the cops and it's worked out great everytime.

    Hey, there's something to be said for that attitude right there.


    Chris Rock said, in "How to Not Get Your *** Beat by the Police" (hilarious video btw), "Dont' run from the police...cuz if you make them chase you, they're bringing an ***-whoopin' with 'em!"

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Ya know, not running from the cops could be a great way to tell the good guys from the bad guys. Bad guys run, get shot. Good guys stand still and cooperate. I mean, I don't understand what's so hard about that.


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    Hey, there's something to be said for that attitude right there.


    Chris Rock said, in "How to Not Get Your *** Beat by the Police" (hilarious video btw), "Dont' run from the police...cuz if you make them chase you, they're bringing an ***-whoopin' with 'em!"

    Kinda like when Sinbad did a bit about the Rodney King beat down.

    "'If I'da been Rodney, I'da...', you'da been on the ground gittin yo butt kicked"...LOL!!!!
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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If the subject attempts to murder/death/kill/injure/harm/maim an officer, then the question of guilt has been answered.
    Police officers are certainly allowed to defend themselves, but shooting at a fleeing suspect that is not shooting at an officer should not be allowed. We aren't talking about some dude firing his shotgun at the police attempting to get away. Few people if any would disagree with the police officer defending himself in such a case. What we are talking about is the police officer shooting at a suspect who is not firing back.

    Nuh-uh. I'll pass on that.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, again, if you're innocent, you have no reason to run. Simple as that.

    I've never run from the cops and it's worked out great everytime.
    Congrats! But that still doesn't change the fact that police shouldn't be judge, jury, and executioner. In our country, you are innocent until proven guilty, and running from the police does not determine guilt or innocence. Guilt or innocence is determined in a court of law. There it should remain.

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    Police officers are certainly allowed to defend themselves, but shooting at a fleeing suspect that is not shooting at an officer should not be allowed. We aren't talking about some dude firing his shotgun at the police attempting to get away. Few people if any would disagree with the police officer defending himself in such a case. What we are talking about is the police officer shooting at a suspect who is not firing back.

    Shooting isn't the only way to threaten/murder/death/kill/harm/injure/frustrate/maim an officer. Any assault on an officer should be met with weapons fire, immediately.


    Any person that will willingly harm/kill a cop present's an even larger threat to the general public and should be terminated.
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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by galenrox View Post
    A moving target, going let's say 30 mph, you can't see the actual target, and if you miss, even if you hit the car, you've got a significant chance of hitting an innocent bystander. As a responsible gun owner, do you take that shot? Now let's also say they're returning fire, so now you've got to avoid the bullets, which chances are would distract you. Honestly, you think that anyone with less than military sniper training could take said shot responsibly?
    In the normal course of events, snipers don't usually fire on moving targets. The range at which they operate, and the vision-limiting effects of telescoping sights, makes moving targets problematic.

    Moving targets can be engaged with open sights, or with the new red-dot "holographic" sights.

    If I'm standing on the side of the road and a car goes past me laterally at 30mph, I can't hit the driver at the moment the car passes me, the lateral movement is too great. After the car has passed, or before, relative lateral movement is reduced due to the angle. If i can see through the windshield and see the location of the driver, and I have a weapon capable of pentrating the windshield consistently, yes I can probably hit him. I'd prefer a semi-auto rifle for that task.

    If he's shooting back, that adds a factor. I'm not going to shoot while I am moving, at a moving target. If I have cover and I am exposing only my head and hands to fire while aiming, I'll take the shot and try to put the incoming fire out of my mind.

    If there are bystanders in the line of fire, either between me and the target, or beyond the target, I will not take the shot, because yes I could miss. That would also apply in most cases whether the target was moving or not.

    I have taken a shot on a live moving target, where there were houses beyond the target. The reason I took the shot is because I had a good angle and the round was going into the ground if I missed. I had about a half a second to make that call.
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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Shooting isn't the only way to threaten/murder/death/kill/harm/injure/frustrate/maim an officer. Any assault on an officer should be met with weapons fire, immediately.


    Any person that will willingly harm/kill a cop present's an even larger threat to the general public and should be terminated.
    True, the officer should be allowed to defend himself, but that isn't the argument. We are talking about a suspect fleeing the scene, and who may not be firing a weapon or threatening the officer's life in any way. The suspect is simply fleeing.

    If he's guilty, then let a court of law determine that. The officer's job is simply to arrest the suspect in such a case, not to play judge, jury, and executioner.

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    You know, if your community decided they don't want police shooting fleeing perps under any circumstances, no matter how egregious, then fine: lots of luck with that. I'd just like everyone to understand the surrounding issues and make a well-informed judgement; one which isn't tainted with misunderstandings and overstatements.

    My community doesn't have a problem with it, when the perp is a known danger to the community. To each his own.
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