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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It depends on the circumstances. I mentioned the serial killer in my neighborhood from a couple months back. He was being searched for based on a sketch and various information. He had already killed five people. If he were found and tried to run, it was absolutely imperative that he be stopped; if he were not, it was a given that more innocent people would die. Under that circumstance, it would have been negligent for an officer to NOT use lethal force to prevent his escape if that was what it took.
    I do not agree.
    Suspecting someone of, is not the same as having committed the crimes.
    Lethal force should not be used even in your example.

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    I do not agree.
    Suspecting someone of, is not the same as having committed the crimes.
    Lethal force should not be used even in your example.
    So if they found the guy they were looking for, having evidence he'd committed five murders in less than two weeks, they should have let him escape rather than using lethal force, if that was the alternative?

    Bro, all five of those murders were within 10 miles of my house. My entire family lives in this area, I knew some of the victims. Live under that terror for a couple weeks and you might reconsider.

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Bro, all five of those murders were within 10 miles of my house. My entire family lives in this area, I knew some of the victims. Live under that terror for a couple weeks and you might reconsider.
    No, I wouldn't change my opinion.


    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    So if they found the guy they were looking for, having evidence he'd committed five murders in less than two weeks, they should have let him escape rather than using lethal force, if that was the alternative?
    Suspecting someone of, is not the same as having committed the crimes.
    Lethal force should not be used, even in your example, just because the person is fleeing.

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    No, I wouldn't change my opinion.


    Suspecting someone of, is not the same as having committed the crimes.
    Lethal force should not be used, even in your example, just because the person is fleeing.


    Well, oddly enough, most of the people in my community felt otherwise about our local serial killer.


    how about: If a cop sees a man shoot someone in the face, then attempt to flee the scene, he still shouldn't shoot a fleeing felon?
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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Well, oddly enough, most of the people in my community felt otherwise about our local serial killer.


    how about: If a cop sees a man shoot someone in the face, then attempt to flee the scene, he still shouldn't shoot a fleeing felon?

    So that somehow makes Coolguy's opinion invalid somehow?

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    So that somehow makes Coolguy's opinion invalid somehow?

    People can be mistaken, working on emotion rather than rationality.

    Granted, in general.

    You understand, I'm not talking about shooting at someone just because they ran from the law? I'm not talking about shooting some stupid kid who runs away when the cops catch him selling weed behind the bowling alley. I'm talking about cases where a suspect is believed to have committed serious violent crimes, and where his continued freedom is an ongoing threat to the community.

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    how about: If a cop sees a man shoot someone in the face, then attempt to flee the scene, he still shouldn't shoot a fleeing felon?
    This is a totally different situation now, isn't it?

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'm not talking about shooting some stupid kid who runs away when the cops catch him selling weed behind the bowling alley. I'm talking about cases where a suspect is believed to have committed serious violent crimes, and where his continued freedom is an ongoing threat to the community.
    Law Enforcement spots the person they suspect of killing 5 people, behind the bowling ally.
    This suspect fits the description.
    The suspect flees and the LEO opens fire, killing the suspect.
    Turns out it wasn't actually who they were looking for but some kid who ran because he had a small amount of mj on their person.

    Alternative.

    Law Enforcement spots the person they suspect of killing 5 people, behind the bowling ally.
    It is the person that evidence points to having committed the crimes.
    The person flees and the LEO shoots and kills him.
    Turns out that the evidence was not accurate and an innocent person was killed.

    The determination of what evidence is, or isn't, as well as guilt or innocence, should be left to the Courts.

    As far as I am concerned, just being suspected is not a good enough reason to shoot for fleeing, unless they are an immediate threat.

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    How about this:

    Cops spots serial killer suspect. SKS runs away, cop does not fire. SKS escapes, and goes on to kill five more innocent people.

    That's what we were looking at a couple months ago. Everyone was on edge, everyone knew that you'd better not run from the police during this crisis and that you'd better not startle a homeowner or businessman either.

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    How about this:

    Cops spots serial killer suspect. SKS runs away, cop does not fire. SKS escapes, and goes on to kill five more innocent people.
    Doesn't work for me because it assumes the 'suspect' actually did the killing.

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