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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Whew. Lots to cover here.

    When I was a cop you were allowed, under certain circumstances, to shoot at a fleeing felon. Chiefly, if you had probable cause to believe the person had committed a serious felony and that their successful escape would put the community at risk.

    An unwritten corollary to this was "if you shoot at a fleeing suspect, you had BETTER be in the right, and you'd better be able to account for every round fired and no bystander injuries". Otherwise, it was your career for sure and maybe your arse.

    The upshot was that not many fleeing felons were shot at, and those that were generally deserved it. Cops didn't want to take the risk of being found at-fault unless they were SURE the guy really had to be stopped.


    Now, to address this fallacy about "stray bullets".

    Anytime a cop shoots at someone there is a potential risk of "stray bullets". Hail, anytime anyone shoots at someone that risk exists. When it is a "two-way-range" and the perps are shooting back, quadruple it since most perps lack any concern about bystanders.

    This is why part of your training underscores the risk of opening fire under conditions where bystanders may be put at risk, and the emphasis most good departments place on marksmanship and judgement.

    A "fleeing felon" doesn't up the risk that much. Either you have a clear shot without bystanders in the line of fire, or you don't take the shot.

    Granted cops are human and mistakes can be made; errors in judgement also. Granted there are a few jerks who abuse their authority, too.

    The serial killer we had down here in my immediate AO brings this home to me in a way it might not do for others. If the cops believed they had located this guy and he tried to flee, they DAMN WELL BETTER HAVE SHOT AT HIM!! He was a KNOWN threat to the community who had murdered repeatedly!

    We had cops standing in the middle of intersections with M4s and Remington870s, scanning the drivers of passing vehicles looking for the guy. You bet your assets they would have shot him if he'd tried to flee.

    Life isn't safe. Sometimes you have to balance one risk vs another. Allowing for shooting at dangerous felons, under certain circumstances, is one such issue.
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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

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    New Policy Allows Chicago Police Officers To Shoot At Fleeing Vehicles - cbs2chicago.com


    Wow... isn't that awesome, cops can just go around shooting cars that are 'fleeing'... if they are a 'suspected' felon.

    No, cops wouldn't abuse that... now, even if you ARE a felon and running from cops... the adrenline is already pumping enough that the person running almost DESERVES the beat down he gets once caught. Telling cops, someone runs you can shoot... let's say their's a drunk driving checkpoint and someone tries to run it cause they are drunk (on it's own not quite a 'felony') are they telling me that cops just won't pull out their guns and start shooting??

    But hey "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear." The biggest fallacy ever... since there's no limit to that. We just want to take a walkthrough your house... no, 'what have you got to hide??'

    Is it just me, or is America starting to look more and more like an occupied country?
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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Notice this happened in Chicago though. The "no guns allowed" capital of the world.
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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Innocent until proven guilty.

    People don't just run because they are guilty, but any number of other reasons.

    Even though I don't agree with cops killing people, shooting someone in self-defense makes a lot more sense than shooting someone who is actually running away from you.

    Shooting someone who poses no risk to you is abuse of power and any cop who kills someone in this way should be charged with murder.

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars



    A person who is fleeing is trying to avoid confrontation and really isn't an immediate threat (unless using the vehicle as a weapon).

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    Thankfully...

    At face value, yes I agree with you. But when it hits the streets, giving cops the authority to pull their guns out when 'fleeing' and 'suspected felons'... Consider, how many seconds do you have to pull over before it counts as 'fleeing'?

    What if the cop is having a particularly bad day and pulls someone over he tells them 'run'... "What? I had to... they looked liked al-quaida and they fleed from me so I shot them."

    Plus there is a vast difference between someone fleeing the scene (not something that I'd urge anyone to do), since it's pretty much a guaranteed prison term WHEN you get caught. Is very different then someone that is attempting to flee and trying to run down a cop... then by all means stop the guy. I'd rather keep the laws TIGHT and have to deal an officer then at its extreme which would be your turnoff just happens to be a block before a checkpoint the cops say 'he's fleeing' and the open fire.

    I understand there needs to be a line drawn as to when it's appropriate for a cop to pull out his gun... let's not make the laws so that cops feel the need to pull the trigger a lot more then they already do.... which admittedly is generally a justified action to take... afterall, at the end of the day a wants to go home safe, and I don't blame them.
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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    As someone in law enforcement ( not a patrol cop, federal law ) this is total ****.

    You don't fire unless a threat is being imposed onto yourself. Then, and only then, you can fire. If someone is running away, and they're unarmed, then it's your damn job to get off your lazy ass and chase the guy, not draw your weapon and unload 3 shots into his back.

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    As someone in law enforcement ( not a patrol cop, federal law ) this is total ****.

    You don't fire unless a threat is being imposed onto yourself. Then, and only then, you can fire. If someone is running away, and they're unarmed, then it's your damn job to get off your lazy ass and chase the guy, not draw your weapon and unload 3 shots into his back.
    It depends on the circumstances. I mentioned the serial killer in my neighborhood from a couple months back. He was being searched for based on a sketch and various information. He had already killed five people. If he were found and tried to run, it was absolutely imperative that he be stopped; if he were not, it was a given that more innocent people would die. Under that circumstance, it would have been negligent for an officer to NOT use lethal force to prevent his escape if that was what it took.

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Police officers should be allowed to shoot people for fleeing from them. This is a case of "if you haven't done anything wrong", because people who haven't done anything wrong don't run from the police.
    Please tell me you're kidding. This is nuts and then some. No sane rational person could either believe or promote such a goofy notion. I'm not even going to go over all of the legal ramifications of such a policy would result in but I can tell you one thing for certain before such a policy was struck down by The Supreme Court the first victims family would be millionaires from the wrongful death suit.
    You can not shoot a suspect in the back. The law in every state of know is you can shoot in a life or death situations only, not at suspects, and never at cars that could contain children.
    I'm glad this was not a true story it would have meant we are closer to the National Socialist State we are being pushed into than I thought. Heil Dumb asses. Carry on. Semper Fi!
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