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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    For those that are for this being legal, it is all great until a pregnant female is killed either as the driver or passenger.
    If someone is fleeing from the police in a car a pregnant female or someone else is likely to be hit anyways. Why not neutralize the situation as fast as possible. A dead scumbag fleeing the police is only able to go so far in a moving car.
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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Except, the "fleeing" people haven't really been convicted of anything... So, they're not guilty... and who's to say the cop doesn't interpret them as fleeing when they're driving down the street after passing him?


    Cops wouldn't abuse laws for their own gain, would they?!?! NO!
    They have no business fleeing the police. If a cop flashes his lights and signs behind you that means pull over and I am sure after a while they may even get on a speaker and tell you to pull over. This situation of the cop instantly shooting someone when he turns on his lights and siren is a load of fear mongering crap because cops are not idiots they do realize that you are not going to instantly stop and that you may even drive a little further to pull over in case you are in a area where you can't easily pull over to the side of the road.
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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They have no business fleeing the police. If a cop flashes his lights and signs behind you that means pull over and I am sure after a while they may even get on a speaker and tell you to pull over. This situation of the cop instantly shooting someone when he turns on his lights and siren is a load of fear mongering crap because cops are not idiots they do realize that you are not going to instantly stop and that you may even drive a little further to pull over in case you are in a area where you can't easily pull over to the side of the road.
    Much like no-knock warrants and the war on drugs... sure abuse isn't something that could happen!

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Much like no-knock warrants and the war on drugs... sure abuse isn't something that could happen!

    Forgive me for remembering that cops are human too.

    With dash cams it is very less likely that a police office is just going to open fire as soon as they turn on their sirens and flashers and many large cities would be able to place dash cams in their police cars.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I agree with that. Innocent people do not run from the police. With dash cams the "oh they might tell someone to run so they can shoot them" is a load of nonsense. If they can quickly take out someone they can avoid a high speed chase thus reduce the danger the person running the cops poses to other drivers and people.
    Lol... I can cite several precedences where the dashboard camera could provide the input needed to determine what really happened only to be told "the camera was off/broken/wrong angle."

    As well, for most cops the idea would be preposterous... however, there are thuggish roid-head cops with chips on their shoulders and the idea that they ARE the law... THESE are the people that I hesitate to give ANY extra powers, regardless of justification, these do not represent all cops, probably not even MOST cops, but that the description fits for SOME cops is where the danger lies.

    I do have to balance my opinion that people don't generally run from cops unless they are felons already... but it's more the point that every attempt should be made to give even the felons due process...

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They have no business fleeing the police. If a cop flashes his lights and signs behind you that means pull over and I am sure after a while they may even get on a speaker and tell you to pull over. This situation of the cop instantly shooting someone when he turns on his lights and siren is a load of fear mongering crap because cops are not idiots they do realize that you are not going to instantly stop and that you may even drive a little further to pull over in case you are in a area where you can't easily pull over to the side of the road.
    True... this is the other situation : How long does a person have from when the cop turns on his light till being pulled over before it's considered 'fleeing'?
    5 seconds? 10? If they speed up? If they take a turn?

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    True... this is the other situation : How long does a person have from when the cop turns on his light till being pulled over before it's considered 'fleeing'?
    5 seconds? 10? If they speed up? If they take a turn?
    IF they speed up and trying to be evasive then it is pretty obvious the person is trying to flee the police. If he or she is trying to pull a OJ then that time can be based on the average it takes for someone to pull over regarding type of road,traffic conditions and etc.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If someone is fleeing from the police in a car a pregnant female or someone else is likely to be hit anyways. Why not neutralize the situation as fast as possible. A dead scumbag fleeing the police is only able to go so far in a moving car.
    And how many innocent civilians will that dead scumbag take out as his car lumbers out of control? And how is it fair and just that innocent civilians die because someone else wanted to be away from the police?

    Shooting at fleeing felons is a bad idea because it creates dangers to innocent bystanders. The cops are supposed to make the public more safe, not less safe. Shooting at fleeing felons makes the public less safe.

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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    I fleeing car is a 3000 pound deadly projectile. Not much different than somebody standing on the corner shooting aimless into the crowd. They might hit somebody and they might not.

    I, for one, prefer to error on the side of caution and just take them out.

    But, then again, I'm pretty insensitive when it comes to wants, needs and desires of the criminal element. Maybe that's one reason I have never been picked to serve on a jury?
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    Re: Policy Would Allow Cops To Shoot At Fleeing Cars

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    I am all for it. I believe we should have reimplemented this a long time ago. Why allow someone feeing to put innocents at risk? Granted I can see it being abused on occation but with modern camera equipment found in all police cars I suspect it would be minimal.
    One would have to assume you have no fear from stray bullets?

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