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    Re: China Genocide - Uighur leader says 10,000 missing

    As for the Uighurs, if they want Western support they need to drop Islam and adopt secular democracy and a healthy, fashionable fear of global warming, throw in the Wiggles too for good measure.

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    Re: China Genocide - Uighur leader says 10,000 missing

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    So do you think that all humanitarian causes should be abandoned, since practically all of them have no relevance to you, personally?
    Not all of them, but certainly the ones that involve attempting to interfere in the internal affairs of major world powers. I certainly do not agree with this notion that because genocide is occurring, we have a moral obligation to stop it-- as if either the continued existence of every culture on Earth is necessary, or that we have some nebulous moral obligation to people we have little or no interaction with.
    Last edited by Korimyr the Rat; 08-01-09 at 05:24 AM.

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    Re: China Genocide - Uighur leader says 10,000 missing

    Quote Originally Posted by JW Frogen View Post
    As for the Uighurs, if they want Western support they need to drop Islam and adopt secular democracy and a healthy, fashionable fear of global warming, throw in the Wiggles too for good measure.
    Drop Islam + adopt secular democracy? Do you even have a clue as to where in the world we are talking about?

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    Re: China Genocide - Uighur leader says 10,000 missing

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Not all of them, but certainly the ones that involve attempting to interfere in the internal affairs of major world powers. I certainly do not agree with this notion that because genocide is occurring, we have a moral obligation to stop it-- as if either the continued existence of every culture on Earth is necessary, or that we have some nebulous moral obligation to people we have little or no interaction with.
    By that definition, you'd be against stopping what happened in Kosovo, or even the Holocausts in Germany, Cambodia, etc. That's sick, and pathetic.

    The UN has an anti-genocide policy which your country signed in good faith.

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    Re: China Genocide - Uighur leader says 10,000 missing

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    By that definition, you'd be against stopping what happened in Kosovo, or even the Holocausts in Germany, Cambodia, etc. That's sick, and pathetic.

    The UN has an anti-genocide policy which your country signed in good faith.
    Well basically you can guess the "morals" of these people, if the Uighur were white + Christian they would be all for it. They would stop the Holocaust, only because they need the Jews in Israel to bring about the end of the world, then all the Jews will die a horrible death of course.

    Isn't one of life's great ironies this simple equation: Religion does NOT equal morality.

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    Re: China Genocide - Uighur leader says 10,000 missing

    If the ChiComs want to bump off some of their own, then let them.

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    Re: China Genocide - Uighur leader says 10,000 missing

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    By that definition, you'd be against stopping what happened in Kosovo, or even the Holocausts in Germany, Cambodia, etc.
    Yes, that pretty much covers it.

    We were at war with Germany for legitimate reasons and, frankly, would never have gotten involved in the war strictly for the sake of preventing the Holocaust. However, once we discovered the extent of the Nazi atrocities, it made for good political and military propaganda.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    That's sick, and pathetic.
    Meh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The UN has an anti-genocide policy which your country signed in good faith.
    And I will support my country doing what is required by the terms of that policy, as soon as I see even a handful of the other signatories taking steps to enforce it. Until then, that "policy", like most UN "actions", isn't even worth the paper it's written on. Creating the United Nations was a mistake, and our continued participation in its nonsense is an even bigger mistake.

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    Re: China Genocide - Uighur leader says 10,000 missing

    Well, what can I say to that? You are indeed selfish, but at least you admit it.

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    Re: China Genocide - Uighur leader says 10,000 missing

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    10,000 my ass, this guy is obviously lying.
    It would hardly be beyond the realms of possibilty. It wouldnt be the first regime to abduct 10s of thousands of people. What makes you so sure?

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    Re: China Genocide - Uighur leader says 10,000 missing

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Well, what can I say to that? You are indeed selfish, but at least you admit it.
    This type of selfishness reminds of Martin Niemöller's infamous poem:

    First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
    because I was not a communist;
    Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
    because I was not a socialist;
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
    because I was not a trade unionist;
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
    because I was not a Jew;
    Then they came for me--
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.

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