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    Re: High Court draws line between discipline and physical abuse

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    Re: High Court draws line between discipline and physical abuse

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    Cause i go bed around this time thats why! lool
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    Re: High Court draws line between discipline and physical abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Again, this is just my opinion, and we're moving rather far afield from the subject of disciplining children.
    I see and yes you are right, we are steering slightly off topic.


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    Re: High Court draws line between discipline and physical abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Spare the rod, spoil the child.

    Was as true then as it is now.
    Corporal punishment increases defiance in the long term, especially when excessively relied upon-- it loses its effectiveness as the child becomes acclimated to being struck. It may be useful when immediate compliance is needed, but as a long term strategy it is detrimental.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I never wanted my kids to believe they "deserved" to be physically struck, for whatever reason.
    I would've wanted it that much less, had they been female.
    Indeed. For all their other faults, my parents raised me not to suffer anyone else to lay a hand on me-- and aside from some minor legal trouble in high school, the lesson has served me well all my life. I hope it is something that I can instill in my own children without resorting to the same methods.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    It would do nothing to prepare them for the real world, a world where it is against the law for someone to physically strike you for any reason, and the only appropriate response to such assault is to call the police and have the assailant hauled off to jail.
    I disagree. The appropriate response to someone striking you, especially in public, is to break them. Trying to dial the police will only provoke further assault, and your assailant will be long gone by the time the police bother to respond. Take them down and break them good and hard, and not only will they never strike you again, but everyone who witnesses the incident will advise other people against engaging you.

    Obviously this advice is less useful for small people, but when do the police ever respond quickly enough to matter?

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    Re: High Court draws line between discipline and physical abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Using physical behavior to discipline your child indicates a weakness in the parent, IMO. Plain and simple.


    Yea, that's easy to say when your child is a little angel, but not all parents are so lucky, I assure you.

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    Re: High Court draws line between discipline and physical abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    Using physical behavior to discipline your child indicates a weakness in the parent, IMO. Plain and simple.
    Most one year olds don't understand reasoned and serious arguments against touching the stove, most do understand that touching the stove gets them a slap on the wrist.

    Doesn't have to hurt, just has to be a special little unpleasantness that compels the young brain to associate disapproval with certain of his actions.

    No harm in it at all.

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    Re: High Court draws line between discipline and physical abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by hiswoman View Post
    Score one for common sense over political correctness.
    You don't see a whole of that in Britain these days.

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    Re: High Court draws line between discipline and physical abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Most one year olds don't understand reasoned and serious arguments against touching the stove, most do understand that touching the stove gets them a slap on the wrist.

    Doesn't have to hurt, just has to be a special little unpleasantness that compels the young brain to associate disapproval with certain of his actions.

    No harm in it at all.
    This is true, but that's not really "discipline" so much as it is safety. Stopping stove-touching is fine, but slapping a one-year-old who cries in public or spills food is another thing entirely.
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    Re: High Court draws line between discipline and physical abuse

    Although I don't deny myself the right to smack my kid on the hand at times, there's no way he'll receive the physical punishment I did as a kid. For a couple reasons. For one, by todays standards what my dad did would easily be considered child abuse. Maybe even by the standards of the 80s in which I grew up in. I never just got a few smacks on the butt with an open palm. I got 20 swats with a boat oar, 50 swats with a belt, at 12 years of age, my dad lifted me off the ground by the neck(with one hand) and slammed me against the wall, after I made a smart comment. I can't think of anything my kid could do, to raise that kind of anger in me. Whatever he did that would, would likely have him behind prison bars anyway.
    Whether or not I ever have to spank the kid(s), will just be for immediate correction of a dangerous action that would likely harm him if I am not there the next time. As far as discipline goes, a dad big enough to give you everything can take it all away. And the crying doesn't bother me. If he's crying because he's being a pussy, I'll let him cry from sunup to sundown if need be. There's no need to coddle a kid just because they are upset about not getting their way. Just the other day he wanted a car from the store we were in. He got to pick out a car, and then when we were up at the counter, he said he didn't want that car he wanted a different one. He threw the car he had on the ground, so I took it back and put it up and he got nothing. He pitched his fit, and I let him. But he never got a car.
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    Re: High Court draws line between discipline and physical abuse

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Think: if somebody actually walked up and began striking you- an adult- in earnest, on the butt, with the intent of inflicting pain and discomfort on you, you would not call that a "spanking". It would be assault.
    And if an adult grounded you it would be false imprisonment.
    If they took away your toys it would be theft.
    And if wishes were fishes...

    I am not sure what you think your comparison is supposed to show.

    Maybe if you went abut it another way...
    I may be wrong.

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