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    Re: Dodd Diagnosed With Early-Stage Prostate Cancer

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    I'm afraid it doesn't matter what you want.
    It's coming. You can get onboard, or be bulldozed.
    Apparently you haven't been paying very close attention. The health care bill in the Congress is falling apart. It's weeks behind when they wanted it passed and public support for it is plummeting. The more people find out about it, the more they realize they're getting scammed. By the end of the August recess after the members of Congress have received a month long onslaught from people wanting to protect our health care, this bill will be DOA just like it was in 93.

    Don't worry. Obama has a solution: every family will now come "first".
    That's the stupidest ****ing logic I've ever heard but it doesn't surprise me that you would be gullible enough to think it makes any sense. You've already proven your ignorance.
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    Re: Dodd Diagnosed With Early-Stage Prostate Cancer

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    How is it that these nations can afford this natioanlized health care?
    They can't. That's why they've been denying people life saving treatment and rationing care leaving people to suffer with ailments and pain for months and/or years.

    Amazingly, there are a lot of stupid people in this country who think that would be a great way to do it here.

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    Re: Dodd Diagnosed With Early-Stage Prostate Cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Don't Tase Me Bro View Post
    They can't. That's why they've been denying people life saving treatment and rationing care leaving people to suffer with ailments and pain for months and/or years.

    Amazingly, there are a lot of stupid people in this country who think that would be a great way to do it here.
    Maybe you should actually learn why we have different survival rates? Just a thought, I mean I would not want anyone to continue on showing vast amounts of ignorance or anything. That is unless doing so is badge of honor, in that case I have a medal for you.

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    Re: Dodd Diagnosed With Early-Stage Prostate Cancer

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    Re: Dodd Diagnosed With Early-Stage Prostate Cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by Don't Tase Me Bro View Post
    Yes, I am about to politicize this and if you have a problem with it, too bad. You're a wuss.

    It’s rather ironic that Senator Dodd has been inflicted with prostate cancer while at the same time he is one of those running around supporting socialized health care in this country. The survival rate for American men with prostate cancer is 81.2%. Take a look at the countries that have socialized health care, or what people like Dodd wish to refer to as the “public option.” In France, the survival rate of men with prostate cancer is 61.7% and in the U.K 44.3%.

    The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care by David Gratzer, City Journal Summer 2007

    Of course, Dodd wouldn’t be using the “public option” anyway. The Democrats’ health care plan is so good that the Congress exempted itself from having to participate in it.
    Interesting numbers, however the source you quoted is hardly scientific.

    And why does having a good health care plan make a person less reliable when it comes to reforming the system and reneging in insurance companies and HMO's?

    I don't care for Dodd, but I do hope he pulls through.

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    Re: Dodd Diagnosed With Early-Stage Prostate Cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Interesting numbers, however the source you quoted is hardly scientific.

    And why does having a good health care plan make a person less reliable when it comes to reforming the system and reneging in insurance companies and HMO's?

    I don't care for Dodd, but I do hope he pulls through.


    I fear he pulled those statistics out of someplace dark and dank.

    The American Cancer Society says:

    For all men with prostate cancer, the relative 5-year survival rate is 100%, and the relative 10-year survival rate is 91%. The 15-year relative survival rate is 76%.

    ACS :: Prostate Cancer Survival Rates


    I will reiterate that prostate cancer is an extremely slow-growing cancer that typically takes 20 years to even show symptoms and much longer than that to metastasize, if it ever does, which it often doesn't. And who is most at risk of prostate cancer? Why, elderly men. it is almost exclusively a disease of middle-aged to elderly men.

    It is absurd to claim that it kills 50 or 60% of it's victims anywhere in the world, even in tribal Africa where there is no health care at all.
    Men typically die of other things before their prostate cancer becomes advanced enough to cause problems.

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    Re: Dodd Diagnosed With Early-Stage Prostate Cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Interesting numbers, however the source you quoted is hardly scientific.
    Here is a scientific source.

    One of the reports compares the statistics from Europe with those from the United States and shows that for most solid tumors, survival rates were significantly higher in US patients than in European patients. This analysis, headed by Arduino Verdecchia, PhD, from the National Center for Epidemiology, Health Surveillance, and Promotion, in Rome, Italy, was based on the most recent data available. It involved about 6.7 million patients from 21 countries, who were diagnosed with cancer between 2000 and 2002.

    The age-adjusted 5-year survival rates for all cancers combined was 47.3% for men and 55.8% for women, which is significantly lower than the estimates of 66.3% for men and 62.9% for women from the US Surveillance, Epidemiology, and End Results (SEER) program ( P < .001).

    Survival was significantly higher in the United States for all solid tumors, except testicular, stomach, and soft-tissue cancer, the authors report. The greatest differences were seen in the major cancer sites: colon and rectum (56.2% in Europe vs 65.5% in the United States), breast (79.0% vs 90.1%), and prostate cancer (77.5% vs 99.3%), and this "probably represents differences in the timeliness of diagnosis," they comment. That in turn stems from the more intensive screening for cancer carried out in the United States, where a reported 70% of women aged 50 to 70 years have undergone a mammogram in the past 2 years, one-third of people have had sigmoidoscopy or colonoscopy in the past 5 years, and more than 80% of men aged 65 years or more have had a prostate-specific antigen (PSA) test. In fact, it is this PSA testing that probably accounts for the very high survival from prostate cancer seen in the United States, the authors comment.

    Further analysis of these figures shows that, in the case of men, more than half of the difference in survival between Europe and United States can be attributed to prostate cancer. When prostate cancer is excluded, the survival rates decreased to 38.1% in Europe and 46.9% in the United States. For women, the survival rate of 62.9% for all cancers in the United States is comparable to that seen in the wealthiest European countries (eg, 61.7% in Sweden, 59.7% in Europe), and the slightly higher survival in the United States was largely due to better survival for colorectal and breast cancer, the authors comment.

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/561737
    And why does having a good health care plan make a person less reliable when it comes to reforming the system and reneging in insurance companies and HMO's?
    I don't know. I never said that it did. What I said was that the plan Dodd is pushing for is not reform, it's destructive.

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    Re: Dodd Diagnosed With Early-Stage Prostate Cancer

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I fear he pulled those statistics out of someplace dark and dank.

    The American Cancer Society says:

    For all men with prostate cancer, the relative 5-year survival rate is 100%, and the relative 10-year survival rate is 91%. The 15-year relative survival rate is 76%.

    ACS :: Prostate Cancer Survival Rates
    These are the survival rates in the U.S. and it's about exact to what was quoted in the article I originally posted.

    It is absurd to claim that it kills 50 or 60% of it's victims anywhere in the world
    Then it should be easy for you to show us that.

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    Re: Dodd Diagnosed With Early-Stage Prostate Cancer

    prostate cancer (77.5% vs 99.3%)
    Well, this new source you're citing is claiming the relative survival rates for prostate cancer are 99.3% in the US (a ludicrous figure, unless it's a 5-year survival rate only) versus 77.5% in the UK (quite possible, but still markedly different from the 44% UK survival rate your other source claimed).

    Now, it seems to me this study is a bit skewed.
    The American Cancer Society is a pretty definitive authority on cancer. Medscape just publishes articles by, well, anyone.

    It seems to me that your study is skewed in the following way: I'll bet they're comparing five year survival rates for the US (which the ACS claims is 100%, but which could easily be 99.3%) to ten or fifteen year survival rates for the UK (even in the US, the 15-year survival rate is only 76%).
    There is no law against publishing skewed studies on medscape in service of an agenda... an agenda such as, say, maligning national health care.

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    Then it should be easy for you to show us that.
    Should be even easier since you just "showed us that" yourself, with this new study you've quoted (I know, it's got lots of big words. it's okay. i'll interpret for you).
    Your new study claims that the survival rate for prostate cancer in the UK is 77.5%, a far cry from the "44%" your previous study claimed.

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