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Teen shot to death during home invasion

I know but try telling him that.

Ignorance means lacking information. When one chooses to IGNORE some information, it is ignorance.

That is not a personal attack, nor is it a subjective interpretation of an event. It is purely objective and based on the previously stated facts that the person engaging in ignorant behavior BY CHOICE has admitted.

Is there anything else you need me to explain to you?
 
Ignorance means lacking information. When one chooses to IGNORE some information, it is ignorance.

That is not a personal attack, nor is it a subjective interpretation of an event. It is purely objective and based on the previously stated facts that the person engaging in ignorant behavior BY CHOICE has admitted.

Is there anything else you need me to explain to you?

Explain to him when an accusation became an ad hom.
 
No its just pointless argueing with you. I know ill be here refuting your claims all day and you'll just be throwing out the same stuff and ill have to repeat myself.

At least give me this.

Do you realize drugs:

A) Destroys lives
B) Are harmful to our mental and physical health
C) Highly addictive.




Freedom is a bitch, act accordingly. :yes:
 
Well no offence but advocate legalization and you'll be burying a whole lot more.





This is the same dumb argument liberals used to try to scare us into keeping the AWB...


They claimed that "Assault Rifles" would flood the streets and cause all sorts of wonton violence and mayhem....


In reality, just as with drugs, little would ACTUALLY change. Most people are not one law away from being a junky..... :roll:
 
Explain to him when an accusation became an ad hom.

You really don't know how an accusation to the man is an ad hom?

An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim.

From webster's:

Main Entry:
1ad ho·mi·nem Listen to the pronunciation of 1ad hominem
Pronunciation:
\(ˈ)ad-ˈhä-mə-ˌnem, -nəm\
Function:
adjective
Etymology:
New Latin, literally, to the person
Date:
1598

1 : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
2 : marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made

So my question is when is an accusation about a person's character NOT an ad hom?
 
You really don't know how an accusation to the man is an ad hom?



From webster's:



So my question is when is an accusation about a person's character NOT an ad hom?

Didnt make an accusation about your character. I just accused you of having a secret agenda or being spaced out at that time. That doesnt relate to your "character".

In reality, just as with drugs, little would ACTUALLY change. Most people are not one law away from being a junky.....

No but most junkies are one law away from having complete free access to lethal substances, and your average citizens. As for the rifles, its our right to be able to carry guns; when has it ever been our right to have free access to any lethal substance we desire? Its not. Why has all drugs not been legalized completely in any part of the world? Because what you advocate makes no sense what so ever. There is no emotional intervention here. This is from a rational point of view; tell me how legalization WOULDNT simply just prompt a price competition for drugs between government and cartel? Tell me how by stopping the war on drugs cartels will just simply aim more of there market towards the underaged who cannot obtain them legally. And then tell me how the government will intend to stop children obtaining them illegally from cartels; thats right, a new war on drugs!
 
Didnt make an accusation about your character. I just accused you of having a secret agenda or being spaced out at that time. That doesnt relate to your "character".

You accused him of being a "stoner".

"your probably just a stoner with a personal agenda "

No but most junkies are one law away from having complete free access to lethal substances, and your average citizens. As for the rifles, its our right to be able to carry guns; when has it ever been our right to have free access to any lethal substance we desire? Its not.

Nor is it the right of the United States Government to determine what we can or can't put in our bodies if you want to go technical, since its no where deliniated as such in the Constitution that should be a state issue.

Why has all drugs not been legalized completely in any part of the world?

Yeah, trying to say "well other places in the world do it!" isn't an argument for what's correct, simply what's possible. I'm frankly estatic we don't do some things like the majority of europe does them.

Because what you advocate makes no sense what so ever. There is no emotional intervention here. This is from a rational point of view; tell me how legalization WOULDNT simply just prompt a price competition for drugs between government and cartel?

He did tell you, he also provided you with historical evidence, both of which you ignored.

If they were legalized, regulated, and made available similar to how hard alcohol would be then there would be little to no competition.

Legitiamte companies would be attempting to sell these things, much like alcohol was done. These would have to be up to a federally regulated standard, sold in a safe environment of a shop, and are completely legal to have. The free market would dictate a reasonable price, again much like alcohol.

At best the cartel's could try to undercut the competition by making even CHEAPER drugs than the cheapest sold legally, but the amount they'd have to cut down the price to over come the benefits of:

1. Legal to buy
2. Legal to have
3. Safe location to buy
4. Higher standard of production / less chance for extra nefarious substances included

This would likely make it far from lucrative for the cartels to attempt and ratheri diotic to stay in the business.

Even currently look now with alcohol. Sure, in theory, you could still have people making boot legged alcohol and selling it but for the most you don't. You have a few pockets that sell moonshine or make absynth, but its a relatively small minority.

See, Tucker has produced HISTORICAL evidence to the contrary to what you said and logical common sense evidence, both of which you've shrugged away based on....you thinking they're stupid.

Tell me how by stopping the war on drugs cartels will just simply aim more of there market towards the underaged who cannot obtain them legally.

Again, JUST targetting minors is not going to be profitable enough for them to stay in the business as generally minors are far from the most prized customers due to income levels. Not to mention that, much like alcohol and cigs, there will be some local competition from people buying it legally and distributing it to minors (which, as I said, is no different than what currently happens with alchohol and cigs but again has the benefit of at least being a potentially safer product than currently).

I would dare say minors make up a very, very small percentage of the drug cartel's finances and that having them as they're only likely reasonable customer is going to be a revenue negative venture.

And then tell me how the government will intend to stop children obtaining them illegally from cartels; thats right, a new war on drugs!

Same way you deal with people distributing things to minors currently. Arrest them for distributing a banned substance to a minor, and if the items they have are illegal contraband then they can be charged with that as well. No new "war on drugs", no new laws, just the same as we do for other substances. The cartel's won't likely be interested enough at this point though for it to be a large problem.
 
Ignorance means lacking information. When one chooses to IGNORE some information, it is ignorance.
Actually...
Ignorance IS not having information.
But...
Willingly ignoring information is bigotry.
 
If this is actually serious this may be the dumbest post I've seen in ages.

Really, its going to go up 10000000% times? Why is that exactly? Because people **** a lot when they're on drugs? Or are you talking about needles and transfering it through that, something that'd quite possibly be lessoned if things were legalized?

Or please...what drugs cause penis leakage? I'd love to hear which thing has that direct side effect. I'm going to guess it'll not be that big of a seller.

Serious as a heart attack.

Drugs themselves dont cause the leakages. Its the quality of people who do the drugs and then go bang the other low life scum who wind up with the leakages....aka STDs.

But hey, bury your head in the sand and legalize your drugs. We can just tell eveyone to bleach their privates. That should solve the problem. :thumbs:
 
Serious as a heart attack.

Then yes. The most illogical, stupid, absolutely retarded post I've ever read on here. I don't think a declared national holiday of "bareback ****ing" would raise the by "about 100000000%" let alone legalization of drugs.

Drugs themselves dont cause the leakages. Its the quality of people who do the drugs and then go bang the other low life scum who wind up with the leakages....aka STDs.

Someone didn't think to keep reading the thread. Please check out THIS post where I've already explained why its absolutely idiotic and illogical to just immedietely assume what you're stating...I mean, unless you believe George W. Bush caused 9/11.

But hey, bury your head in the sand and legalize your drugs. We can just tell eveyone to bleach their privates. That should solve the problem. :thumbs:

Seriously, you make me question if you have ever read or researched anything remotely reliable or credible about drugs or sex in my life with such absolute drivel spewing forth from your mouth.
 
You first establish that this happens already, while drugs are illegal. The legal status of drugs is irrelevant to those people, obviously.

BTW, correlation does not causation. Smoking a doobie won't give you the clap.

Explain it away all you want to, I dont care. Legalize the stuff, and more people who werent willing to do it wont have a problem with them either.

Just telling ya what we see on a daily basis, thats all. If you want more STDs and dripping and oozing sex organs, by all means legalize away. Might want to jack up the welfare funding as well as the enrollments while we are at it.

Its the quality of person doing the drugs that winds up with the clap.
 
Clearly, this never would have happened if people did not have this STUPID idea that they should be able to defend themselves and their property based on the means and information available.

Had the PO just gathered his family and run away, as the law should require him to do, this kid would still be alive
 
Which is freaking retarded.

People can go jail for a few years just for getting high or being caught with it what kind of BS law is that?
We all know it is pandering to the old stupid people of this country who are conservative and see drugs as just all evil and in one class.

So, are drugs one of your "daily activities"?
 
So, are drugs one of your "daily activities"?

How did you guess? Ofc i regularly do drugs.

Infact, i'm dealing right now whilst typing this message :roll:

Was there a point to that question?
 
Hmmmm I've never had a leaking sex organ.

Well virgins tend not to.
:funny:

Also, please show me where I said ALL drug addicts would have drippy pee-pees? I mean, do we really have to explain the obvious here???? Really?
 
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How did you guess? Ofc i regularly do drugs.

Infact, i'm dealing right now whilst typing this message :roll:

Was there a point to that question?

Just relating to another thread you and I were in recently.
 
Sorry the kid died, but nobody put a gun to his head and made him take the mushrooms. Ultimately, this issue boils down to one of responsibility. The kid is responsible for his own death. This can sometimes be the ultimate lesson in life if one acts stupidly. If he had been in my house, I would have shot him too. This may sound cold, but I will do whatever it takes to protect me and mine.

Not the home owner's fault if there are extenuating circumstances. the kid created them.
 
Sorry the kid died, but nobody put a gun to his head and made him take the mushrooms. Ultimately, this issue boils down to one of responsibility. The kid is responsible for his own death. This can sometimes be the ultimate lesson in life if one acts stupidly. If he had been in my house, I would have shot him too. This may sound cold, but I will do whatever it takes to protect me and mine.

Not the home owner's fault if there are extenuating circumstances. the kid created them.

I'd be too scared as i'd probably face years in jail

I agree, was tragic and the homeowner will have it with him for the rest of his life. That is punishment enough for anyone. Knowing you shot someone 'innocent'

Stupid is as stupid does, he shouldn't have done and he paid a price for that.
 
Which one was that? :confused:

In the abortion section, you claimed a family cant live on 1 income and how you have to pay for "daily activities" there in London and how expensive they were, etc, etc. I was just wondering if drugs were 1 of those "daily activities" you mentioned.
 
Sorry the kid died, but nobody put a gun to his head and made him take the mushrooms. Ultimately, this issue boils down to one of responsibility. The kid is responsible for his own death. This can sometimes be the ultimate lesson in life if one acts stupidly. If he had been in my house, I would have shot him too. This may sound cold, but I will do whatever it takes to protect me and mine.

Not the home owner's fault if there are extenuating circumstances. the kid created them.
Relatedly, its impoosible to argue that the homeowner 'should have known' that the kid was on something, and that knowing that, 'should have assumed' that this knowledge made the kid less of a threat.
 
In the abortion section, you claimed a family cant live on 1 income and how you have to pay for "daily activities" there in London and how expensive they were, etc, etc. I was just wondering if drugs were 1 of those "daily activities" you mentioned.

Ohhh.

No, drugs aren't one of my daily activities.
Sex toys are tho, does that count? :mrgreen:
 
I'd be too scared as i'd probably face years in jail

I agree, was tragic and the homeowner will have it with him for the rest of his life. That is punishment enough for anyone. Knowing you shot someone 'innocent'

Stupid is as stupid does, he shouldn't have done and he paid a price for that.

You need to move to Texas. :mrgreen:
 
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