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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    That guy didn't know what the boy was capable of, and had to protect his family.
    I wish (and I'm sure he wishes) that there were a way he could've incapacitated the boy without killing him.
    It sounds like he tried to stop him with a non-lethal shot.

    He probably does feel bad, but there's really nothing he could've done differently.

    This whole case pretty much exemplifies the word "tragedy", as there was probably no ill intent on anyone's part, not even that of the people who sold the boy the drugs; just a series of foolish choices that led to a tragic death.
    Don't take my post wrong. I am all for gun ownership and I agree that the home owner was trying to protect his family, even that the kid was stupid for doing drugs in the first place and it really doesn't matter to me that he died.
    I was just expressing an opinion. Because I can just imagine being the guy that shot him and hearing him call me dad. I would have started crying.

    Now being who I am, as soon as you said, "there's really nothing he could've done differently.", I call bs.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    My point being that the prohibition of something can make it more dangerous and fuel organised crime.
    Well, sure. Human sex trafficking is largely dangerous and fueled by organized crime, as are other illicit activities such as weapons trafficking, gambling, and certain types of pornography.

    No doubt we could 'reduce crime' by making these activities legal.


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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    What difference is their between the two that means the same principle wont apply? Are you saying that the latter is more harmful?
    Hey I'm pro-2nd amendment but that doesn't mean I support private ownership of missiles and explosives.

    I want pot legalized, that doesn't mean I support all these other drugs.

    Pot is a pistol, tobacco is a rifle, alcohol is machine gun.

    Shrumes are stinger missiles, cocaine = VX gas, meth = hydrogen bomb.

    Anyone, without exception, who supports legalizing hard drugs are no better then the loony kooks who support private ownership of ICBMs.
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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Don't present strawmen if you don't want them to be called out as the idiocy they are.

    I said the arguments given for the prohibition of drugs are the same as the arguemnts given for the prohibition of guns.

    You decided to falsely portray that this would mean that the arguments against the prohibition of drugs should therefor be the same as those against the prohibition of guns.

    Thus, I must ask again who said anything about more drugs equaling less crime?

    I'm not making any commentary about similarities between the arguments AGAINST both forms of prohibition.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    Don't take my post wrong. I am all for gun ownership and I agree that the home owner was trying to protect his family, even that the kid was stupid for doing drugs in the first place and it really doesn't matter to me that he died.
    I was just expressing an opinion. Because I can just imagine being the guy that shot him and hearing him call me dad. I would have started crying.

    Now being who I am, as soon as you said, "there's really nothing he could've done differently.", I call bs.
    Mentally ill people and people acting psychotic and disconnected from reality because of drugs are extremely unpredictable and frightening.
    I can't imagine what was going through the shooter's mind when this boy entered his house, obviously delusional, and refused to leave. I imagine the man was merely concerned about the safety of his family.
    True, there are things he could've done differently; but then we might be discussing a tragedy of another kind. The psychotic boy might have killed the man's wife, for example.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Well, sure. Human sex trafficking is largely dangerous and fueled by organized crime, as are other illicit activities such as weapons trafficking, gambling, and certain types of pornography.

    No doubt we could 'reduce crime' by making these activities legal.

    The difference being that human trafficking would still harm people if it were legal. This isnt the case with drugs and alcohol as the harm is reduced. Legalised alcohol in the United State reduced Alcohol poisioning. And a relaxation of drug legislation in Portugal produced these results.

    In 2001, Portugal became the first European country to abolish all criminal penalties for personal drug possession. In addition, drug users were to be targeted with therapy rather than prison sentences. Research commissioned by the Cato Institute and led by Glenn Greenwald found that in the five years after the start of decriminalisation, illegal drug use by teenagers had declined, the rate of HIV infections among drug users had dropped, deaths related to heroin and similar drugs had been cut by more than half, and the number of people seeking treatment for drug addiction had doubled. However, Peter Reuther, a professor of criminology and public policy at the University of Maryland, while conceding that Portuguese decriminalization met its central goal of stopping the rise in drug use, suggests that the heroin usage rates and related deaths may have been due to the cyclical nature of drug epidemics[4].
    [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_liberalization[/ame]

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Thus, I must ask again who said anything about more drugs equaling less crime?
    I don't know that anyone is, which is why I asked. As soon as you realize that I included a "?", indicating a question, you might understand that I made no such claim.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Mentally ill people and people acting psychotic and disconnected from reality because of drugs are extremely unpredictable and frightening.
    I can't imagine what was going through the shooter's mind when this boy entered his house, obviously delusional, and refused to leave. I imagine the man was merely concerned about the safety of his family.
    True, there are things he could've done differently; but then we might be discussing a tragedy of another kind. The psychotic boy might have killed the man's wife, for example.
    I really was not discussing those 'what if's', merely stating an opinion about how the shooter may feel after. That is all.
    I only hope he eventually comes to the conclusion that he did the 'right' thing, because of those what if's. I know I would.
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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    I really was not discussing those 'what if's', merely stating an opinion about how the shooter may feel after. That is all.
    I only hope he eventually comes to the conclusion that he did the 'right' thing, because of those what if's. I know I would.
    He will.
    People are adaptable, and capable of believing whatever they need to believe in order to go on.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Alcohol =/= "drugs" just as pistol =/= 50cal belt-fed machine gun.
    Alcohol is a drug.

    A drug, by definition, is "a substance other than food intended to affect the structure or function of the body"



    Also, the correct logical analogy, using a specific term compared to a general term would be:

    Alcohol is to drugs what a pistol is to guns.

    Thus Alcohol = drug as Pistol = gun

    You compared a specific to a general and then a specific to a specific.

    Obviously that is a false analogy.

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