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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Heroin

    3rd bullet point.

    In small amounts heroin makes people very talkative, energized, impassioned and confident. But even in small amounts, heroin can cause clogging of the lungs and the vascular tubes of the upper regions of the body, become the underlying cause of early age dementia, as well as playing a large factor in HIV/AIDS cases. Heroin, regardless of dosage, has a tendency to intefere with the biological proceedings of the brain and block vital hormones that cause sleep, growth and general mental development.
    This is much better. Now the problem is that your link says nothing about someone who uses a small amount of heroine one time. It says in small amounts, but that leads me to believe that it is saying that, over time, small dosages are still dangerous. There's no way that someone is going to develop venous sclerosis, clog lungs or vascular tubes or develop dementia from using a single dose on one occasion.
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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    This is much better. Now the problem is that your link says nothing about someone who uses a small amount of heroine one time. It says in small amounts, but that leads me to believe that it is saying that, over time, small dosages are still dangerous. There's no way that someone is going to develop venous sclerosis, clog lungs or vascular tubes or develop dementia from using a single dose on one occasion.
    You got any proof that leads you to believe that, or is that what you want to believe?
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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    You got any proof that leads you to believe that, or is that what you want to believe?
    That leads me to believe that Venous Sclerosis is not obtained from one use?
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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    I'm still more interested in the myth that alcohol is superior to other drugs in the legality standpoint.

    Heroin is damaging, yes. Prolonged use at any level is damaging, but, the primary causes of death in heroin is overdoes, which the same website Kaya just quoted, states that unknown purity levels are the primary cause of overdose (which would not be the case under regulation).


    Whereas, legal alcohol has these statistics behind it:

    Alcohol Statistics

    * More than 100,000 U.S. deaths are caused by excessive alcohol consumption each year. Direct and indirect causes of death include drunk driving, cirrhosis of the liver, falls, cancer, and stroke.1

    * Traffic crashes are the greatest single cause of death for persons aged 633. About 45% of these fatalities are in alcohol-related crashes.4

    * Alcohol kills 6 times more youth than all other illicit drugs combined.2

    Alcohol - Facts, Statistics, Resources, and Impairment Charts

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    That leads me to believe that Venous Sclerosis is not obtained from one use?
    Im talking about what proof leads you to believe it isnt bad for you on small dosages despite it saying otherwise? Obviously first time users wont exhibit all those negative effects, as you have stated, but many of them will be experienced regardless. It falls down to your bodily capacity to handle such substances...but id rather the government not take the risk, eh?
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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Im talking about what proof leads you to believe it isnt bad for you on small dosages despite it saying otherwise? Obviously first time users wont exhibit all those negative effects, as you have stated, but many of them will be experienced regardless. It falls down to your bodily capacity to handle such substances...but id rather the government not take the risk, eh?
    Why are you concerned about what others do with their own body?
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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I'm still more interested in the myth that alcohol is superior to other drugs in the legality standpoint.

    Heroin is damaging, yes. Prolonged use at any level is damaging, but, the primary causes of death in heroin is overdoes, which the same website Kaya just quoted, states that unknown purity levels are the primary cause of overdose (which would not be the case under regulation).


    Whereas, legal alcohol has these statistics behind it:




    Alcohol - Facts, Statistics, Resources, and Impairment Charts
    Your quotes are meaningless. A far higher proportion of the population abuse Alcohol than drugs, so its no suprise that its caused more deaths. Doesnt change the fact drugs are more lethal than Alcohol, like Cocain and Heroin.
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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Why are you concerned about what others do with their own body?
    Why is it illegal for us to drink and drive, or be on the mobile phone while driving, or not wear our seatbelts, if its not the government priority to protect us from certain things that can harm us?
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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Your quotes are meaningless. A far higher proportion of the population abuse Alcohol than drugs, so its no suprise that its caused more deaths. Doesnt change the fact drugs are more lethal than Alcohol, like Cocain and Heroin.
    Alcohol in general is far more lethal than heroin and cocaine.

    When you figure out why that is, you will see why your whole opinion is nonsense.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    I was told that Heroin in no way fatal on withdrawal. Im simply stating that yes, under some underlying conditions, it can be.
    Actually you were told heroin doesn't have a fatal withdrawal symptom. And it doesn't. Heroin withdrawal, on its own, does not cause fatalities. One must combine it with some kind of weakening condition for it to become fatal.

    To say that Heroin Withdrawal has fatal symptoms because when combined with someone else it can be fatal is like saying that talking on the cell phone has fatal symptoms because talking on the phone while driving your car could lead to your death.

    Heroin withdrawal, without some kind of secondary condition, is not fatal.

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Small amounts of Alcohol consumption is good for you.
    Small amounts of certain types of alcohol CAN have a positive effect on you, but also contributes NEGATIVE effects as well to your liver over long term extended use, its just believed the positives outweigh the benefits at this time. And this has came about only after years of studying following its legalization. To my knowledge at the time it was legalized it was not known that alcohol was good for you.

    That said, a shot of Everclear a day is most assuredly NOT good for you...yet that's legal. Hell, even 151 daily isn't good for you.

    Are you for the banning of any alcohol outside of wine? Over a certain proof? I mean, your basis for having a ban is if the substance doesn't have any effects you deem as positive on your health...well, 151 and everclear and most straight liquors don't. Do you agree with their banning?

    [/quote]Just a question, you do know im endorsing the illegalization of such drugs for the public to get there hands on? Im fully aware that such drugs are and can/need to be used in the medical fields, like steroids (wait, arent they present in such Asthma pumps - just a thought).[/quote]

    But wait! I thought all the drugs you stated you're against have NO positive health benefits?

    "Alcohol, bad foods and cigarettes are all legal because they are ok until a certain point."

    "At least Alcohol consumption is good to a certain extent"

    So is steroids. So are opiates for those experiencing pain.

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    Is not good for you, in any way. Is it EXTREMELY harmful to you on a single use? No. But it doesn't have any big health benefits to you either, and certainly not more than the negatives. Its not eating the burger and mmmmm, suddenly that's does a body good.

    Same with Everclear. Same with Cigerettes. Smoking one cigarette isn't somehow GOOD for you or somehow not bad for you.

    Ritalin and Cannabis (both class B in the UK. I know you keep trying to say "oh but cannabis is okay" but it also flies in the face of your "no B and A drugs" theory) aren't going to give you any significantly long term effects on a single small use than a shot of everclear or smoking a cig.

    Ecstasy, a class A, DOES have positive side effects including improved mood, reduced aggression, and an anti-anxiety effect. The chief executive of the U.K. Medical Research Council even stated it was on the bottom of the scale in regards to harm, below even tobacco and alcohol. That seems to fly in the face of your all Class A and B drugs are bad in any way or size with no potential benefits and thus different than alcohol or tobacco usage.

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