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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    You really don't know how an accusation to the man is an ad hom?



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    So my question is when is an accusation about a person's character NOT an ad hom?
    Didnt make an accusation about your character. I just accused you of having a secret agenda or being spaced out at that time. That doesnt relate to your "character".

    In reality, just as with drugs, little would ACTUALLY change. Most people are not one law away from being a junky.....
    No but most junkies are one law away from having complete free access to lethal substances, and your average citizens. As for the rifles, its our right to be able to carry guns; when has it ever been our right to have free access to any lethal substance we desire? Its not. Why has all drugs not been legalized completely in any part of the world? Because what you advocate makes no sense what so ever. There is no emotional intervention here. This is from a rational point of view; tell me how legalization WOULDNT simply just prompt a price competition for drugs between government and cartel? Tell me how by stopping the war on drugs cartels will just simply aim more of there market towards the underaged who cannot obtain them legally. And then tell me how the government will intend to stop children obtaining them illegally from cartels; thats right, a new war on drugs!
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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Didnt make an accusation about your character. I just accused you of having a secret agenda or being spaced out at that time. That doesnt relate to your "character".


    Wow. Just wow.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Didnt make an accusation about your character. I just accused you of having a secret agenda or being spaced out at that time. That doesnt relate to your "character".
    You accused him of being a "stoner".

    "your probably just a stoner with a personal agenda "

    No but most junkies are one law away from having complete free access to lethal substances, and your average citizens. As for the rifles, its our right to be able to carry guns; when has it ever been our right to have free access to any lethal substance we desire? Its not.
    Nor is it the right of the United States Government to determine what we can or can't put in our bodies if you want to go technical, since its no where deliniated as such in the Constitution that should be a state issue.

    Why has all drugs not been legalized completely in any part of the world?
    Yeah, trying to say "well other places in the world do it!" isn't an argument for what's correct, simply what's possible. I'm frankly estatic we don't do some things like the majority of europe does them.

    Because what you advocate makes no sense what so ever. There is no emotional intervention here. This is from a rational point of view; tell me how legalization WOULDNT simply just prompt a price competition for drugs between government and cartel?
    He did tell you, he also provided you with historical evidence, both of which you ignored.

    If they were legalized, regulated, and made available similar to how hard alcohol would be then there would be little to no competition.

    Legitiamte companies would be attempting to sell these things, much like alcohol was done. These would have to be up to a federally regulated standard, sold in a safe environment of a shop, and are completely legal to have. The free market would dictate a reasonable price, again much like alcohol.

    At best the cartel's could try to undercut the competition by making even CHEAPER drugs than the cheapest sold legally, but the amount they'd have to cut down the price to over come the benefits of:

    1. Legal to buy
    2. Legal to have
    3. Safe location to buy
    4. Higher standard of production / less chance for extra nefarious substances included

    This would likely make it far from lucrative for the cartels to attempt and ratheri diotic to stay in the business.

    Even currently look now with alcohol. Sure, in theory, you could still have people making boot legged alcohol and selling it but for the most you don't. You have a few pockets that sell moonshine or make absynth, but its a relatively small minority.

    See, Tucker has produced HISTORICAL evidence to the contrary to what you said and logical common sense evidence, both of which you've shrugged away based on....you thinking they're stupid.

    Tell me how by stopping the war on drugs cartels will just simply aim more of there market towards the underaged who cannot obtain them legally.
    Again, JUST targetting minors is not going to be profitable enough for them to stay in the business as generally minors are far from the most prized customers due to income levels. Not to mention that, much like alcohol and cigs, there will be some local competition from people buying it legally and distributing it to minors (which, as I said, is no different than what currently happens with alchohol and cigs but again has the benefit of at least being a potentially safer product than currently).

    I would dare say minors make up a very, very small percentage of the drug cartel's finances and that having them as they're only likely reasonable customer is going to be a revenue negative venture.

    And then tell me how the government will intend to stop children obtaining them illegally from cartels; thats right, a new war on drugs!
    Same way you deal with people distributing things to minors currently. Arrest them for distributing a banned substance to a minor, and if the items they have are illegal contraband then they can be charged with that as well. No new "war on drugs", no new laws, just the same as we do for other substances. The cartel's won't likely be interested enough at this point though for it to be a large problem.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Ignorance means lacking information. When one chooses to IGNORE some information, it is ignorance.
    Actually...
    Ignorance IS not having information.
    But...
    Willingly ignoring information is bigotry.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    If this is actually serious this may be the dumbest post I've seen in ages.

    Really, its going to go up 10000000% times? Why is that exactly? Because people **** a lot when they're on drugs? Or are you talking about needles and transfering it through that, something that'd quite possibly be lessoned if things were legalized?

    Or please...what drugs cause penis leakage? I'd love to hear which thing has that direct side effect. I'm going to guess it'll not be that big of a seller.
    Serious as a heart attack.

    Drugs themselves dont cause the leakages. Its the quality of people who do the drugs and then go bang the other low life scum who wind up with the leakages....aka STDs.

    But hey, bury your head in the sand and legalize your drugs. We can just tell eveyone to bleach their privates. That should solve the problem.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    Serious as a heart attack.
    Then yes. The most illogical, stupid, absolutely retarded post I've ever read on here. I don't think a declared national holiday of "bareback ****ing" would raise the by "about 100000000%" let alone legalization of drugs.

    Drugs themselves dont cause the leakages. Its the quality of people who do the drugs and then go bang the other low life scum who wind up with the leakages....aka STDs.
    Someone didn't think to keep reading the thread. Please check out THIS post where I've already explained why its absolutely idiotic and illogical to just immedietely assume what you're stating...I mean, unless you believe George W. Bush caused 9/11.

    But hey, bury your head in the sand and legalize your drugs. We can just tell eveyone to bleach their privates. That should solve the problem.
    Seriously, you make me question if you have ever read or researched anything remotely reliable or credible about drugs or sex in my life with such absolute drivel spewing forth from your mouth.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    You first establish that this happens already, while drugs are illegal. The legal status of drugs is irrelevant to those people, obviously.

    BTW, correlation does not causation. Smoking a doobie won't give you the clap.
    Explain it away all you want to, I dont care. Legalize the stuff, and more people who werent willing to do it wont have a problem with them either.

    Just telling ya what we see on a daily basis, thats all. If you want more STDs and dripping and oozing sex organs, by all means legalize away. Might want to jack up the welfare funding as well as the enrollments while we are at it.

    Its the quality of person doing the drugs that winds up with the clap.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Clearly, this never would have happened if people did not have this STUPID idea that they should be able to defend themselves and their property based on the means and information available.

    Had the PO just gathered his family and run away, as the law should require him to do, this kid would still be alive

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Which is freaking retarded.

    People can go jail for a few years just for getting high or being caught with it what kind of BS law is that?
    We all know it is pandering to the old stupid people of this country who are conservative and see drugs as just all evil and in one class.
    So, are drugs one of your "daily activities"?

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by TheHat View Post
    If you want more STDs and dripping and oozing sex organs, by all means legalize away. .
    Hmmmm I've never had a leaking sex organ.

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