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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

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    Those stats can be misleading to a degree because IV drug users get what is labeled as a STD from sharing needles and not form sexual contact.

    The rates of HIV infections for IV drug users would most likely decrease if the drugs were legalized and regulated.

    I'm not sure the stats for other STD's but I know HIV infection rates are higher for heroin addicts even though it is not caused by sexual contact.
    So, STD's are higher among drug addicts? Hepititis too, huh?
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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, STD's are higher among drug addicts? Hepititis too, huh?
    They aren't STD's if they aren't Sexually transmitted.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    The prohibition of drugs isn't working.
    Then we need to step up our game.
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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Then we need to step up our game.
    Yeah! When something clearly doesn't work, the best approach is to do more of it!

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Yeah! When something clearly doesn't work, the best approach is to do more of it!
    Oh right, because legalizing what we are trying to beat is so much more logical! (do you remember WHY we are trying to stop drugs)?
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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    I see no reason to assume the prohibition of drugs is not working.

    For it's part, it is. It was never supposed to stop all drug use in toto.

    "Step up our game" would be also addressing why people turn to drugs to begin with, and legalizing drugs does not do that.
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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Oh right, because legalizing what we are trying to beat is so much more logical! (do you remember WHY we are trying to stop drugs)?
    We are trying to stop drugs for illogical, emotional reasons. Your own comment above belies how illogical your stance is by targetting the emotionally charged "why" of the whole thing.

    Furthermore, we are trying to "stop" drugs because we mistakenly think they CAN be stopped regardless of the mountains of evidence that suggest that the whole venture is retarded.

    But it makes us feel like we spend money frivolously and irrationally for a good cause, so we do it regardless of the fact that it really is a stupid venture.

    The whole drug war is nowhere near logical. It's the precise opposite of logical. It's entirely based on emotion.

    Logic requires us to look at the actual evidence and act according to it. Not ignore the evidence in order to pursue an irrational goal.

    The evidence is that drugs will never be defeated. They have existed for far longer than any society on the planet, and will outlast any existing society today.

    Let's look at things logically.

    If someone is willing to break the law to sell drugs to a 32 year old, what is the impetus that would prevent them from dealing them to an 8 year old? I doubt morality comes into play.

    But if they might face extreme sanctions and lose their livelihood over selling them to minors, they will be more likely to abstain from selling drugs to minors.

    If the goal is prevention, then actually doing things that have a chance of succeeding is a better approach than wasting mountains of resources on a failed program.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    We are trying to stop drugs for illogical, emotional reasons. Your own comment above belies how illogical your stance is by targetting the emotionally charged "why" of the whole thing.

    Furthermore, we are trying to "stop" drugs because we mistakenly think they CAN be stopped regardless of the mountains of evidence that suggest that the whole venture is retarded.

    But it makes us feel like we spend money frivolously and irrationally for a good cause, so we do it regardless of the fact that it really is a stupid venture.

    The whole drug war is nowhere near logical. It's the precise opposite of logical. It's entirely based on emotion.

    Logic requires us to look at the actual evidence and act according to it. Not ignore the evidence in order to pursue an irrational goal.

    The evidence is that drugs will never be defeated. They have existed for far longer than any society on the planet, and will outlast any existing society today.

    Let's look at things logically.

    If someone is willing to break the law to sell drugs to a 32 year old, what is the impetus that would prevent them from dealing them to an 8 year old? I doubt morality comes into play.

    But if they might face extreme sanctions and lose their livelihood over selling them to minors, they will be more likely to abstain from selling drugs to minors.

    If the goal is prevention, then actually doing things that have a chance of succeeding is a better approach than wasting mountains of resources on a failed program.
    Ahh the tired out "they're going to do it anyway" argument.

    I for one have no intention of legalizing drugs for the masses simply because some token minority will use drugs illegally anyway.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ahh the tired out "they're going to do it anyway" argument.
    Ahh... the tired old "Drugs are bad, we should ban them because banning bad things is always good" argument.

    Perhaps the lessons of prohibition are lost through obfuscation and illogic.

    I for one have no intention of legalizing drugs for the masses simply because some token minority will use drugs illegally anyway.
    Bully for you. Of course your personal intentions are really of no consequence, so I have no idea why you mention them.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Ahh... the tired old "Drugs are bad, we should ban them because banning bad things is always good" argument.

    Perhaps the lessons of prohibition are lost through obfuscation and illogic.

    Bully for you. Of course your personal intentions are really of no consequence, so I have no idea why you mention them.
    Prohibition alone is not the answer, but prohibition alone is better than legalization. The "war on drugs" is a failure as most government programs are, but that means we readres how we combat drug use, not abandon the idea entirely.
    Last edited by Jerry; 08-03-09 at 04:12 PM.

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