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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I'm sorry but how do you turn

    "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

    Into

    "Drug use is a right; drugs can't be illegal."

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    The Ninth Amendment states that the BoR is not an exhaustive listing of rights. No where in the Constitution is the government given the authority to dictate what people are allowed to ingest. Pretty simple.

    The Ninth Amendment was put there to ensure that CONSTITUTIONAL rights are not the ONLY rights.
    No, the Ninth Amendment was created so people wouldn't try to "disparage or deny other rights retained by the people." AKA unenumerated rights.

    It's funny how it's been interpreted to be the reverse of what was intended- now, apparently, all rights are Constitutional, and the judicial branch can make up any BS "right" it wants to and say it is "unenumerated". It even makes clear that the rights are "retained by the people"- not the Federal Government.
    I'm sorry, could you explain the difference between a Constitutional right and a non-Constitutional right?

    I understand the rationale against Federal drug laws, but for drug use to be a right that even state and local laws can't restrict?
    "Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual." --Thomas Jefferson to Isaac H. Tiffany, 1819.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The Ninth Amendment states that the BoR is not an exhaustive listing of rights. No where in the Constitution is the government given the authority to dictate what people are allowed to ingest. Pretty simple.

    Jefferson on Politics & Government: Inalienable Rights

    During alcohol Prohibition of the 20's and 30's, the government knew and admitted that they had no such authority and had to pass a Constitutional Amendment to give theirself that power.

    Nowadays they just ignore the Constitution whenever it is inconvenient.
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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Most notably, while the 9th states that there are rights other than those noted in the Constitution, it does NOT prescribe any degree of protection for those rights.
    Rights are rights. They are inalienable by their very nature.

    And so, while yo may very well have some right to use drugs, nothing in the Constitution prevents the government from restricting that right.
    Only to a certain extent. Regulating the use thereof is a reasonable assumption, but criminalizing the act in its most basic form is certainly an unjust infringement that falls outside the bounds of acceptable government conduct.
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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The Ninth Amendment states that the BoR is not an exhaustive listing of rights. No where in the Constitution is the government given the authority to dictate what people are allowed to ingest. Pretty simple.
    The constitution doesn't say anything about wearing clothing either. Yet there are all sorts of laws banning nudity, both in public and on private property.

    ..

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I like my 12-gauge too, and my assault rifles. Given a few seconds to pop open the gunsafe, that's what I'd go for to repel home invaders. (Overpenetration doesn't worry me much, I live out in the woods.) Pistols are handy, though, because they're handy. I can carry a compact 9 or .40 on me all the time...but for some reason people get excited when I go to Wal-Mart with an M4 on my shoulder.

    Not to start an argument, but your statement was:



    If you were getting philosophical and meant "guns don't kill, people do", okay then. It sounded literally like you were saying you can't kill someone with a .380ACP, which is patently erroneous.

    Don't get me wrong, a .380 isn't much of a weapon and I don't care for anything smaller than a .38sp+P Hydroshock, but you can kill someone with small caliber pistols.

    How did I misunderstand you, then?

    I meant Exactually what I said: There is no such thing as a small gun that has the capability to kill. I've been on the receiving end of a few weapons in my day. I am here to tell you that a .45 looks like an eight inch naval gun when it is close and pointed at you. Even a .22 is a "big" gun when it is pointed right at you.

    What I said I meant. What I was referring to is that the poster had meant to say compact weapon vice small gun. Even my LCP is a formidable weapon in the right hands.

    I have no problems with guns. Lived with and by them all my life. I was referring to a choice of a word....not the choice of the weapon.
    I came into this world fighting, screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I have no problem going out the same way.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    The constitution doesn't say anything about wearing clothing either. Yet there are all sorts of laws banning nudity, both in public and on private property.

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    True enough, but now show me where there is a Federal Law that out laws nudity on private property. I doubt there is any Federal Law that tells a State what they can or cannot do within their on borders with regards to nudity.

    Am I wrong?
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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    I meant Exactually what I said: There is no such thing as a small gun that has the capability to kill. I've been on the receiving end of a few weapons in my day. I am here to tell you that a .45 looks like an eight inch naval gun when it is close and pointed at you. Even a .22 is a "big" gun when it is pointed right at you.

    What I said I meant. What I was referring to is that the poster had meant to say compact weapon vice small gun. Even my LCP is a formidable weapon in the right hands.

    I have no problems with guns. Lived with and by them all my life. I was referring to a choice of a word....not the choice of the weapon.

    Bro, I've been on the recieving end of fire myself, and I know whereof you speak. I don't care if it's a crappy little HiPoint .22, I don't want to get shot with it.

    I don't really get why "small" vs "compact" was such an important distinction, but okay.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    The constitution doesn't say anything about wearing clothing either. Yet there are all sorts of laws banning nudity, both in public and on private property.

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    Regulation in the public domain is perfectly acceptable. It's when the government tries to insert itself into the private life of individuals that such actions become unacceptable.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Bro, I've been on the recieving end of fire myself, and I know whereof you speak. I don't care if it's a crappy little HiPoint .22, I don't want to get shot with it.

    I don't really get why "small" vs "compact" was such an important distinction, but okay.
    No big deal. The word "small" sort of gave the connotation of a "toy". Besides that I am home alone and needed something to argue about this fine hot afternoon.
    I came into this world fighting, screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I have no problem going out the same way.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

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    Am I the only that believes that the dog should get a piece of criminal before killing him or her?


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