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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    From the story:

    It doesn't sound like he jumped to deadly force.

    Once you make it very clear that you have a gun and that you will use it, an advance towards you is a clear illustration that your life is in danger.
    Or that the guy is up on shrumes, thinks he's at home, your his dad, and wants nothing more then to go to bed and your life isn't actually in any danger at all.

    Your quote of the story shoes that the home owner did jump directly to lethal force. If you disagree, then please tell me what non-lethal force the home owner used. Open hand soft? Closed hand soft? Open hand hard? Closed hand hard? Electrical device? Chemical deterrent? How did the home owner attempt to subdue and detain the teen?

    I'm not contesting the homeowner's right to use lethal force, I'm disagreeing with his decision in this case.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Or that the guy is up on shrumes, thinks he's at home, your his dad, and wants nothing more then to go to bed and your life isn't actually in any danger at all.
    No way to know that, and stupid to assume so. The homeowner gave clear, fair warning that he had the capacity to use deadly force -- and THEN the kid moved toward him.

    At some point, you have to decide that your life is in danger, or its not. The homeowner decided that it was, and defended himself. His call, not yours.

    Best to be judged by 12 then carried by 6 -- and, since charges are not expected against the homeowner, it appears the 12 arent going to be consulted.

    And, lets be real -- does knowing that someone is on drugs mean your life is less threatened?

    Your quote of the story shoes that the home owner did jump directly to lethal force.
    Yes -- because warning the kid several times is clearly the use of deadly force.
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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    No way to know that, and stupid to assume so. The homeowner gave clear, fair warning that he had the capacity to use deadly force -- and THEN the kid moved toward him.

    At some point, you have to decide that your life is in danger, or its not. The homeowner decided that it was, and defended himself. His call, not yours.
    What's your point?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Best to be judged by 12 then carried by 6 -- and, since charges are not expected against the homeowner, it appears the 12 arent going to be consulted.
    I never said the home owner did anything illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    And, lets be real -- does knowing that someone is on drugs mean your life is less threatened?
    This is one example where knowing does make a difference, yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes -- because warning the kid several times is clearly the use of deadly force.
    It's not the use of less than lethal force, either. A warning is not force at all.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Someone broke into your home...that doesn't mean you just pull out a gun and shoot them.
    If someone breaks into my home, I will break out a gun and shoot him.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

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    The target market would be more likely to utilize such a facility if- instead of touting "safety" as its main attraction- one made it really "fun". You know, lots of psychedelic stuff to look at and play with, cool music, trippy movies to watch, black light and body paint. Padded walls are fine; hell, put a moonwalk in there.
    The "staff" would need to just sort of blend into the woodwork, unless needed, otherwise they'd cause inhibition and paranoia.
    Actually, this is a very good idea. If hard-core drugs like psilocybin ever do get legalized, I think such facilities would be an excellent way to keep both the public and users safe.




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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
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    Someone broke into your home...that doesn't mean you just pull out a gun and shoot them.
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    Excatly, I mean asking him nicely not to rape your wife or daughter or slaughtering you always works better!
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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    THIS WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED IF HE DIDN'T HAVE A GUN!!!


    It works both ways.
    He could have done as much damage--if not more--with a baseball bat, butcher knife, end table, fists, bullwhip, lamp, chair, scissors, extension cord, brief case, computer keyboard, beer bottle, drinking glass, curtain rod, stereo speaker, circular saw, jig saw, utility knife, claw hammer, crow bar, screw driver, compound bow, crossbow, slingshot, blowgun, pellet gun, an all thread rod, a dowel rod, pneumatic nail gun, or liquid pumber. Gonna outlaw all those things, too???

    The kid was getting ****ed up, no matter what. Bottom line is, had he not B&E'ed, it wouldn't have happened.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    If someone breaks into my home, I will break out a gun and shoot him.
    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Excatly, I mean asking him nicely not to rape your wife or daughter or slaughtering you always works better!
    Am I the only that believes that the dog should get a piece of criminal before killing him or her?
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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    If someone breaks into my home, I will break out a gun and shoot him.
    If someonje breaks into my home, there won't be any need to, "break out", a gun. A gun is within arm's reach, anywhere in my home.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    If someone breaks into my home, I will break out a gun and shoot him.
    Your point?

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