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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Jerry, Tucker:

    Get a room.
    Good point. I'll recuse myself from this discussion.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Good point. I'll recuse myself from this discussion.
    Perchance could you have meant "rescue"?
    I came into this world fighting, screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I have no problem going out the same way.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Perchance could you have meant "rescue"?
    No... I meant recuse. Although remove might be more accurate.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Drug use is an unenumerated right per the Ninth Amendment. It always helps to read the WHOLE document instead of just latching onto the Amendments you find personally convenient.
    I'm sorry but how do you turn

    "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

    Into

    "Drug use is a right; drugs can't be illegal."

    ?

    The Ninth Amendment was put there to ensure that CONSTITUTIONAL rights are not the ONLY rights. It's funny how it's been interpreted to be the reverse of what was intended- now, apparently, all rights are Constitutional, and the judicial branch can make up any BS "right" it wants to and say it is "unenumerated". It even makes clear that the rights are "retained by the people"- not the Federal Government.

    I understand the rationale against Federal drug laws, but for drug use to be a right that even state and local laws can't restrict?

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    No... I meant recuse. Although remove might be more accurate.

    ...just playing with words.
    I came into this world fighting, screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I have no problem going out the same way.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    The Ninth Amendment was put there to ensure that CONSTITUTIONAL rights are not the ONLY rights. It's funny how it's been interpreted to be the reverse of what was intended- now, apparently, all rights are Constitutional, and the judicial branch can make up any BS "right" it wants to and say it is "unenumerated". It even makes clear that the rights are "retained by the people"- not the Federal Government.

    I understand the rationale against Federal drug laws, but for drug use to be a right that even state and local laws can't restrict?
    Most notably, while the 9th states that there are rights other than those noted in the Constitution, it does NOT prescribe any degree of protection for those rights.

    And so, while yo may very well have some right to use drugs, nothing in the Constitution prevents the government from restricting that right.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What he did was legal, but imo he used excessive force by jumping directly to lethal force when his life was not in danger.

    Someone broke into your home...that doesn't mean you just pull out a gun and shoot them.

    And why fight with the kid after shooting him? Shoot him again, damnit. Don't have a slap fight all around your property.
    Ok.


    Why fight the kid after shooting him?
    Gee, I don't know?
    Maybe the kid called him dad after he shot him and said it in such a way that the guy could see the kid was just f'd up and knew his life wasn't in danger. ???

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Good point. I'll recuse myself from this discussion.
    Good riddance.

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    Ok.


    Why fight the kid after shooting him?
    Gee, I don't know?
    Maybe the kid called him dad after he shot him and said it in such a way that the guy could see the kid was just f'd up and knew his life wasn't in danger. ???
    Why jump right to lethal force, though?

    Was the homeowner not otherwise able to defend himself? I mean, did he have a disability or something?

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    Re: Teen shot to death during home invasion

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Why jump right to lethal force, though?
    From the story:

    KEVIL, KY (KFVS) - A man was shot and killed in McCracken County after police say he tried to break into a family's home around 2:00 a.m.

    The family woke to the sound of the alarm system, indicating the door to the attached garage had been opened. The homeowner went outside to investigate, when he heard his wife inside screaming.

    He ran back into the home where his wife told him the intruder, later identified as 18-year-old Andrew Caleb Barnett, was inside their attached garage attempting to get into the home through a wooden door with a window, according to police. The homeowner reportedly yelled several times that he had a gun, telling Barnett not to come inside. However, Barnett continued to make advances toward the man
    It doesnt sound like he jumped to deadly force.

    Once you make it very clear that you have a gun and that you will use it, an advance towards you is a clear illustration that your life is in danger.
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