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E-Mails Show Larger White House Role in Prosecutor Firings

Weapons in Moldy Disrepair?
They found those too!
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Wait. You say the report by Bush's DOJ investigating itself would not be partisan? This is like letting Colonel Sanders watch over your chicken coup while you're away. The DOJ was obliterated under Gonzales' reign. The civil rights division was watered down and understaffed and was left in complete disarray. I'd be more likely to posit that the DOJ investigation of the DOJ is more likely to be biased and partisan than the congressional report.

Oh no, not this report. This report was written by career DOJ employees at both the Inspector General's office and the office of professional responsibility. My husband used to work with two guys who work in the Inspector General's office. All you have to do is read the report--very matter of fact. It's neither pro-Bush nor anti-Bush. Their conclusion: These are the facts and we recommend a criminal investigation.
 
Oh no, not this report. This report was written by career DOJ employees at both the Inspector General's office and the office of professional responsibility. My husband used to work with two guys who work in the Inspector General's office. All you have to do is read the report--very matter of fact. It's neither pro-Bush nor anti-Bush. Their conclusion: These are the facts and we recommend a criminal investigation.

Werent many of the career employees pushed out by Gonzales?
 
Werent many of the career employees pushed out by Gonzales?

Pogue, DOJ is HUUUUUUGE. These are two offices that are not political by nature. My husband does environmental enforcement. All of those people are career employees. Their work was hindered considerably during the Bush years. You know why.
 
July 31, 2009

WASHINGTON, DC – President Obama today nominated the following individuals as United States Attorneys:

• Daniel G. Bogden, District of Nevada
• Deborah K. Gilg, District of Nebraska
• Timothy J. Heaphy, Western District of Virginia
• Peter F. Neronha, District of Rhode Island


The White House - Press Office - President Obama Nominates Four U.S. Attorneys


If the first name sounds familiar it's because he was that districts U. S. Attorney before being fired by the Bush administration.

Bogden was part of the controversial U. S. Attorneys firings/resignations that prompted allegations of impropriety and set off investigations.
 
I say again, this is a NON-STORY. It was a non-story then, and it's even more irrelevant now.

I'm sorry that so many of you now have such a deep and painful void in your lives, now that Bush isn't around to feed that seething hatred that's been the center of your existence for so many years, but drudging up phony scandals from the past isn't doing you any good.

It's time to let go... If you don't have the strength and willpower to do this on your own, I recommend you attend group counseling, or find the nearest mental health facility and seek their advice on how to get your life back together.

Hatred will destroy your life, and the lives of those around you.

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I say again, this is a NON-STORY. It was a non-story then, and it's even more irrelevant now.

I'm sorry that so many of you now have such a deep and painful void in your lives, now that Bush isn't around to feed that seething hatred that's been the center of your existence for so many years, but drudging up phony scandals from the past isn't doing you any good.

It's time to let go... If you don't have the strength and willpower to do this on your own, I recommend you attend group counseling, or find the nearest mental health facility and seek their advice on how to get your life back together.

Hatred will destroy your life, and the lives of those around you.

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This coming from a poster who exudes hatred toward the current administration! Real credible, Grim. :rofl :rofl :rofl
 
E-Mails Show Larger White House Role in Prosecutor Firings

File this under no WMD's or 'we knew it all along'. I mean who is really surprised by this. Of course Rove had a hand in the firings. It was shameful.

I had read somewhere that the 'replacement' attorneys came from Bob Jones university and other 'acceptable' law schools.

Bob Jones doesn't have a law school, but close.

You have wide discretion to dismiss them, but you can't dismiss them b/c they won't politicize the justice dept. What Mr. Bush did was unprecedented. Sure, Pres' have replaced all at the beginning of the term, but what the Bush WH did, no that never happened before.

Nope, never before.

President Carter replaced U.S. Attorney David Marston at the request of Democratic Representative Joshua Eilberg. Marston had been investigating corruption charges against Eilberg and Daniel Flood, another Democratic Representative.[173] The probe continued after the attorney was replaced, however, and Eilberg lost his 1978 reelection bid. Eilberg was eventually sentenced to five years probation and a $10,000 fine,[173][174] and Flood was censured for bribery by 96th United States Congress.

Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And for about the 501st time, serving at the "pleasure of the President" is not a blank check to obstruct justice or violate the Hatch Act.

"Firing a U.S. Attorney in order to impede or obstruct a pending criminal case, or a pending criminal investigation, could constitute an obstruction of justice. (snip) If Mr. Iglesias or another prosecutor was fired in retaliation for failing to bring vote fraud cases that lacked a reasonable legal or factual basis, the firing could also violate the criminal Hatch Act prohibition on retaliation contained in 18 USC 606. (snip) To the extent a prosecutor was fired in order to bring in a more compliant individual to pursue politically advantageous cases, such misconduct could possibly violate the prohibitions on obstructing government proceedings contained in 18 USC 1505 and 18 USC 1512(c)(2)."

You're citing as evidence a report prepared by the Democratic leaders of the Judiciary Committee?

Furthermore, this of course assumes:

1) That was the reason the prosecutors were fired,
2) There was no reasonable legal basis for the vote fraud case, and
3) The reason for pursuing the vote fraud case was because of political considerations rather than a desire to see the law enforced.

There's absolutely nothing indicating that those three conditions are satisfied.

What has happened here is that things have been turned on their head. If this were truly about investigating a crime, this "investigation" would have been dropped once they realized that the vote fraud cases were not patently ludicrous. Instead, the "investigation" has continued on in an attempt to dig up more circumstantial evidence to prove tangential points.

"Concerns about the apparently political nature of these firings are only heightened by the emerging allegations that some U.S. Attorneys who were retained by the Department - the so-called "loyal Bushies" - may have selectively prosecuted Democrats. Bringing the force of the federal criminal justice apparatus to bear on an individual based in any way on that person's political affiliation is a clear abuse of the prosecutorial function, and may well violate the person's civil rights.

Absolutely no evidence that this happened.

"Evidence that such wrongdoing may have occurred includes a recent academic study finding that federal prosecutors during the Bush Administration have indicted Democratic officeholders far more frequently than their Republican counterparts. The study's authors found that of the 375 cases they identified, 10 involved independents, 67 involved Republicans, and 298 involved Democrats, and noted that local Democrats were seven times as likely as Republicans to be subject to criminal charges from the Department of Justice."

Revisiting, and re-debunking, the political profiling study | Stubborn Facts
 
So, since the House, Senate and Presidency are now inhabited by Bush's political opponents, one would expect that if they had a case, they'd make it. They don't, even under the forceful demands of their emotionality overwrought minions.

So any person of reasonalbe intelligence if forced to conclude that they have no case.

Time to move on or risk being medicated.
 
This coming from a poster who exudes hatred toward the current administration! Real credible, Grim. :rofl :rofl :rofl

First, don't confuse legitimate opposition to Obama's policies with hatred... which is something I don't have for the man. Second, everything you will ever see me post that is in opposition to Obama and his policies/actions, is based on fact, not some conjured up, phony-bologna scandal, based on personal hatred like the left has been doing for 8 years.

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I say again, this is a NON-STORY. It was a non-story then, and it's even more irrelevant now.

I'm sorry that so many of you now have such a deep and painful void in your lives, now that Bush isn't around to feed that seething hatred that's been the center of your existence for so many years, but drudging up phony scandals from the past isn't doing you any good.

It's time to let go... If you don't have the strength and willpower to do this on your own, I recommend you attend group counseling, or find the nearest mental health facility and seek their advice on how to get your life back together.

Hatred will destroy your life, and the lives of those around you.

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Hate is such a strong word I hated his policies and genuinely felt he was in way over his head. Most of his policy choices seemed to have stemmed from Dick Cheney. However, I've seen genuine hatred of Obama from the time he announced he was running to the first day he took office. Yeah it was such a fake phony scandal that the 9 senior officials at the Justice Department all resigned. I guess they all just wanted to spend more time with their kids.
 
First Off hazel we did find WMDS this I know for a fact since I was one of the folks who were looking for them prior to the invasion and second guess what the White House can firer and hire fed. Prosc. this has been the norm for a very long time but if you want to have this Witch Hunt great lets bring in Mr. Clinton and discuss all the firings he did of Fed Prosc.

Way to be a HyproPartisian Hack:roll:

:rofl WMDs.......found.....:rofl

I think some of the actual...TRUE...weapons inspectors would like to have a word with you. You do know that drugs are bad for you?
 
I say again, this is a NON-STORY. It was a non-story then, and it's even more irrelevant now.

I'm sorry that so many of you now have such a deep and painful void in your lives, now that Bush isn't around to feed that seething hatred that's been the center of your existence for so many years, but drudging up phony scandals from the past isn't doing you any good.

It's time to let go... If you don't have the strength and willpower to do this on your own, I recommend you attend group counseling, or find the nearest mental health facility and seek their advice on how to get your life back together.

You want to explain your opinion or are you just trolling?
 
Hate is such a strong word I hated his policies and genuinely felt he was in way over his head. Most of his policy choices seemed to have stemmed from Dick Cheney. However, I've seen genuine hatred of Obama from the time he announced he was running to the first day he took office. Yeah it was such a fake phony scandal that the 9 senior officials at the Justice Department all resigned. I guess they all just wanted to spend more time with their kids.

Yes, it's Obama who has experienced irrational hatred, while we saw none of that from the left over the past 8 years.
 
Yes, it's Obama who has experienced irrational hatred, while we saw none of that from the left over the past 8 years.

Have you read any of the following:

Against All Enemies - Richard Clarke
Your Government Failed You - Richard Clarke
Fiasco - Thomas Rickes
Life in the Emerald City - Rajiv Chandrasekaran
Hubris - Michael Isikoff

You know Bush/Cheney hatred is not limited to Democrats or Liberals alone, I think if you look around a bit you might just be surprised that quite a few Republicans and conservatives find him to be an incompetent fool who did more bad than good. I doubt few can name any tangible accomplishment, yet most can easily recognize his failings.
 
Have you read any of the following:

Against All Enemies - Richard Clarke
Your Government Failed You - Richard Clarke
Fiasco - Thomas Rickes
Life in the Emerald City - Rajiv Chandrasekaran
Hubris - Michael Isikoff

No thanks, I try to avoid books like those.

You know Bush/Cheney hatred is not limited to Democrats or Liberals alone, I think if you look around a bit you might just be surprised that quite a few Republicans and conservatives find him to be an incompetent fool who did more bad than good. I doubt few can name any tangible accomplishment, yet most can easily recognize his failings.

Which has what to do with my point?
 
I work for the CIA. We found no weapons in Iraq. I shot JFK.

Please believe me.
 
Ok.. fine.. lets prosecute all of them..

We'll start chronologically... with Obama, his impeachment and them work back..

How does that work for ya'?

The problem here is decades of unconstitutional SCJ decisions and executive orders. The problem is systemic and by NO means can be considered singular or partisan.

All this pissin' across the isle, serves only a singular purpose of distraction while our Constitution is shredded by progressives from both sides.

so y'all keep pissin' at each other , cheering the pointing of dirty little fingers at the other side's indiscretions....

.... tyranny will be your just reward!
 
Yes, it's Obama who has experienced irrational hatred, while we saw none of that from the left over the past 8 years.

Irrational hatred? Prove it. Actually most of the "hate" as you call it springs from Bush's policies. I haven't met many people on the left who actually hate George Bush though people do hate dick cheney. Bush had a free pass after 9/11 up until almost the Iraq war. As one scandal after the other came out people got upset, and by people; I mean the majority of the country.

Obama was in office a day and people on the right already hated him.

I noticed a pattern here. When Clinton was in office many of the anti-government rightists started coming out in force as they are once again. They're usually quiet when their guy is in office
 
Ok.. fine.. lets prosecute all of them..

We'll start chronologically... with Obama, his impeachment and them work back..

How does that work for ya'?

The problem here is decades of unconstitutional SCJ decisions and executive orders. The problem is systemic and by NO means can be considered singular or partisan.

All this pissin' across the isle, serves only a singular purpose of distraction while our Constitution is shredded by progressives from both sides.

so y'all keep pissin' at each other , cheering the pointing of dirty little fingers at the other side's indiscretions....

.... tyranny will be your just reward!

*yawn* What are we prosecuting Obama for again? Why is it when the right is called out then they suddenly become concerned and want "all the bums thrown out". Meanwhile when their guy consistently skirted around the constitution they had nothing to say. Politicizing the justice department which is supposed to be independent isn't an indiscretion. Cheating on your wife is an indiscretion. Hiring hookers is an indiscretion, getting caught having sex in public is an indiscretion. Not politicizing the justice department and firing those who don't want to play ball in prosecuting your enemies
 
File this under no WMD's or 'we knew it all along'. I mean who is really surprised by this. Of course Rove had a hand in the firings. It was shameful.

File this under 'too little, too late.'

Get over it.

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Already did in a previous post.

Try and keep up.

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Fair enough.

Let's take a look at your 'argument' shall we?

Why is this a story?

Federal prosecutors are appointed by the administration and serve at the presidents leisure. They can be fired by the president at any time, for any reason.

You Bush bashers on the left, just won't let things go... and it's pathetic.

Oh, now I see... You have no clue what you're talking about.

Here's some advice, before posting in a thread, get better in formed on the issues and policies related to the topic.

For example, don't post in say, this thread, when you don't really understand the history of the dismissals or relevant executive branch rules and policies.

Here's a link for you to do some reading and get caught up with the rest of us.
 
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