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    Re: E-Mails Show Larger White House Role in Prosecutor Firings

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Sure lets play. Lets take David Iglesias who got political pressure from a senator and congressman both republicans. Pressure was put on him to make decisions on pending investigations. The question is if David Iglesias was fired to affect the outcome of pending legal matters. If he was fired for that cause which is likely that would constitute obstruction of justice. 18 USC 1503(a), 1505, 1515(c)(2).

    Also if this was retaliation for him not bringing more false voter fraud cases that would violate the Hatch Act 18 usc 606

    Also if this was about not going after enough democrats especially with the timeline of this being before the election this would be an attempt to influence the elections in violation of 5 USC 7323 (a)(1)

    Then there's also if the firing of any of the attorneys was to bring in people who were more compliant with the preceding agenda this would constitute obstructing government proceeding in violation of 18 usc 1505 and 18 usc 1512(c)(2)

    Then there's the testimony during the hearings where you had many of the personnel giving conflicting answers which may amount to perjury, making false statements, or obstruction of congressional proceedings.

    There's plenty more to pick from
    About damn time. Now, care to make a case for any of those violations?

    You're getting the hang of this, though, so that's definitely progress.

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    Re: E-Mails Show Larger White House Role in Prosecutor Firings

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    About damn time. Now, care to make a case for any of those violations?

    You're getting the hang of this, though, so that's definitely progress.
    About damn time? I've always posted my sources and made a case you just asked for specifics on this just now. I already started to make a case on the Iglesias firing. Once again though as the previous article states there has been little cooperation from Bush administration personnel. So making a case without their testimony or one of them getting rolled all we have to look at is the actions. There is a probability that they committed ethics violations at the least.

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    Re: E-Mails Show Larger White House Role in Prosecutor Firings

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    About damn time? I've always posted my sources and made a case you just asked for specifics on this just now. I already started to make a case on the Iglesias firing. Once again though as the previous article states there has been little cooperation from Bush administration personnel. So making a case without their testimony or one of them getting rolled all we have to look at is the actions. There is a probability that they committed ethics violations at the least.
    So you have no case to make?

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    Re: E-Mails Show Larger White House Role in Prosecutor Firings

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    So you have no case to make?
    Maybe later when I have more time. There is a probability though that there was a crime committed and Goodling and Schlozeman already got nailed on the hatch act. So this isn't a clearcut case of pleasuring the president as some people make it

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    Re: E-Mails Show Larger White House Role in Prosecutor Firings

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Sure lets play. Lets take David Iglesias who got political pressure from a senator and congressman both republicans. Pressure was put on him to make decisions on pending investigations. The question is if David Iglesias was fired to affect the outcome of pending legal matters. If he was fired for that cause which is likely that would constitute obstruction of justice. 18 USC 1503(a), 1505, 1515(c)(2).

    Also if this was retaliation for him not bringing more false voter fraud cases that would violate the Hatch Act 18 usc 606

    Also if this was about not going after enough democrats especially with the timeline of this being before the election this would be an attempt to influence the elections in violation of 5 USC 7323 (a)(1)

    Then there's also if the firing of any of the attorneys was to bring in people who were more compliant with the preceding agenda this would constitute obstructing government proceeding in violation of 18 usc 1505 and 18 usc 1512(c)(2)

    Then there's the testimony during the hearings where you had many of the personnel giving conflicting answers which may amount to perjury, making false statements, or obstruction of congressional proceedings.

    There's plenty more to pick from
    There's also Title 28 of the United States Code section 541. US CODE: Title 28,541. United States attorneys

    The president can remove the US Attorney if he regards it for the "public good." FindLaw | Cases and Codes

    Removal for poltical purposes wouldn't be "public good."

    Celticlord, why don't you read the report yourself? http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/special/s0809a/final.pdf

    It's all here. Educate yourself instead of asking others to do so.
    Last edited by aps; 07-31-09 at 12:34 PM.

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    Re: E-Mails Show Larger White House Role in Prosecutor Firings

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Maybe later when I have more time. There is a probability though that there was a crime committed and Goodling and Schlozeman already got nailed on the hatch act. So this isn't a clearcut case of pleasuring the president as some people make it
    The probability is there is insufficient evidence to assert criminal misconduct.

    Was it bad judgment and a bad business all around....probably. Was it criminal, not likely. The case hasn't been made. The evidence just is not compelling.

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    Re: E-Mails Show Larger White House Role in Prosecutor Firings

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    The probability is there is insufficient evidence to assert criminal misconduct.

    Was it bad judgment and a bad business all around....probably. Was it criminal, not likely. The case hasn't been made. The evidence just is not compelling.
    The question is how much of the evidence have you actually read on it. Did you listen to the hearings? All the contradictions between the various senior staff. The way the administration kept changing the rational for the firings points more towards criminal conduct otherwise why lie about the reasons?

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    Re: E-Mails Show Larger White House Role in Prosecutor Firings

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    The question is how much of the evidence have you actually read on it. Did you listen to the hearings? All the contradictions between the various senior staff. The way the administration kept changing the rational for the firings points more towards criminal conduct otherwise why lie about the reasons?
    LOL I love how people who did NOT sit in on Scooter Libby's trial determined he was not guilty.

    Hey, they read a story here and there about the trial and they know enough to declare a wrongful finding. I just don't get that mentality.

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    Re: E-Mails Show Larger White House Role in Prosecutor Firings

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    The question is how much of the evidence have you actually read on it. Did you listen to the hearings? All the contradictions between the various senior staff. The way the administration kept changing the rational for the firings points more towards criminal conduct otherwise why lie about the reasons?
    How does it prove criminal conduct? You are not making a case here.

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    Re: E-Mails Show Larger White House Role in Prosecutor Firings

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    It's all here. Educate yourself instead of asking others to do so.
    Make your case. Don't let others carry your water. Make your case.

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