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Israel to allow cement into Gaza

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BBC NEWS | Middle East | Israel to allow cement into Gaza

Israel has authorised a one-off shipment of hundreds of tonnes of cement and building materials to the heavily embargoed Gaza Strip.

It is the first official transfer of such goods since Israel's operation early this year in the coastal enclave.

Many Gazan buildings damaged during the offensive have not been rebuilt because of a shortage of building materials.

Officials told the BBC that a flour mill, as well as sewage, electricity and water facilities would be repaired.

A senior Israeli official said the 130,000 tonnes of cement was part of Israel's "ongoing policy to support Gaza's civilian population and to make sure humanitarian needs are met".

One of the projects, he added, was the reconstruction of the flour mill in partnership with the UN's relief agency for Palestinian refugees (Unwra).

The shipment is part of a reconstruction plan drawn up by Robert Serry, the UN envoy to the Middle East, said Israel's Haaretz newspaper.
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Are we finally starting to see some easement on Gaza, and the cooperation of Israelis and Palestinians? Or is this just more of the same? Thoughts?
 
tlmorg02 said:
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Israel to allow cement into Gaza



Are we finally starting to see some easement on Gaza, and the cooperation of Israelis and Palestinians? Or is this just more of the same? Thoughts?
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We'd be starting to see it if this was the first time such thing happens.
In truth, Israel has always ensured the humanitarian situation in Gaza would not become fatal.
Not only because it'll only work against Israel on the international ground, but it is also necessary to show the Palestinians that terror is Israel's enemy, and not your regular Palestinian civilian.

Netanyahu has also said said that he believes the Radical Islam would be beaten from within their societies and that one day the Palestinians would stop following Hamas and oppose them.
 
Apocalypse said:
In truth, Israel has always ensured the humanitarian situation in Gaza would not become fatal.
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This statement makes it seem like Israel purposefully did all they could to make the situation incredibly horrible in Gaza, keeping it one step above death.
 
Ikari said:
This statement makes it seem like Israel purposefully did all they could to make the situation incredibly horrible in Gaza, keeping it one step above death.
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You mean it makes it sound like that when combined with your obvious hatred and demonization of Israel.
As I said, in truth, Israel has declared 3 hours per day during the Gaza operation to be a "humanitarian time", during this time Israel has moved in trucks filled with humanitarian aid into the Gaza strip while ceasing the air assault.
Of course, you'd know it if you'd take time and study the issue.
 
Apocalypse said:
You mean it makes it sound like that when combined with your obvious hatred and demonization of Israel.
As I said, in truth, Israel has declared 3 hours per day during the Gaza operation to be a "humanitarian time", during this time Israel has moved in trucks filled with humanitarian aid into the Gaza strip while ceasing the air assault.
Of course, you'd know it if you'd take time and study the issue.
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So, in response to your posts, what types of propaganda/community outreach, is Israel using to try to increase anti-terror sentiment in the Palestinian communities?
 
tlmorg02 said:
So, in response to your posts, what types of propaganda/community outreach, is Israel using to try to increase anti-terror sentiment in the Palestinian communities?
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Israel Warns Hamas of Gaza Strip Invasion After Rocket Attacks | NowPublic News Coverage
A few days before the Operation started, and a few days after the end of the truce between Hamas and Israel, while 80 rockets fell per day on the town of Sderot, Olmert turned to the Palestinian radio stations and gave a speech, asking them to stop Hamas' rockets attack and telling them that allowing Hamas to launch rockets at Israeli civilians would result in an invasion.
 
Many Gazan buildings damaged during the offensive have not been rebuilt because of a shortage of building materials.
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So they are just beginning to get the equipment needed now to repair the damage caused by the siege? Bloody hell.
 
Apocalypse said:
You mean it makes it sound like that when combined with your obvious hatred and demonization of Israel.
As I said, in truth, Israel has declared 3 hours per day during the Gaza operation to be a "humanitarian time", during this time Israel has moved in trucks filled with humanitarian aid into the Gaza strip while ceasing the air assault.
Of course, you'd know it if you'd take time and study the issue.
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I don't have hatred for Israel, I just call a spade a spade. I won't sugar coat Israel's actions. 3 hours a day for "humanitarian time" in which they don't bomb them, but that leaves 21 hours a day for air assaults. Overall, we'll see where this goes, if the Palestinian people and Israelis can get along well enough to rebuild and cease hostilities. I'm not going to hold my breath over it though. Until Hamas is removed from Palestine, the people acknowledge Israel's existence, and Israel stops it's hostilities towards Palestine; I don't think this problem will ever come to an end.
 
Maybe you all missed the New York Times story last week that talked about Israel loosening up on restrictions, and Hamas's new (although temporary) strategy against Israel.

Read it for yourself here. It's a very interesting read.
 
Too little too late. The ghetto of Gaza is a travesty supported by Western dollars. I am ashamed to come from a country whose government openly supports this kind of internment-camp treatment of people in the 21st century.
 
An embargo is meant to make them suffer. To say that Israel was nice to Gaza in any capacity is ludicrous. They were just at war, for God's sake.

This is a good development, though. At least now they can rebuid somewhat.
 
Orius said:
Too little too late. The ghetto of Gaza is a travesty supported by Western dollars. I am ashamed to come from a country whose government openly supports this kind of internment-camp treatment of people in the 21st century.
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I'm proud to live in an ally of the greatest nation in the world, the beacon of Liberty and hope, the United States of America, that support a nation's right to self-defense and to defend its own people from the wrath of terrorists who hide among their own civilians and show no signs of humanity.
 
Richard Nixon said:
An embargo is meant to make them suffer. To say that Israel was nice to Gaza in any capacity is ludicrous. They were just at war, for God's sake.
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You can show humanitarian acts even during a war.
There is absolutely no reason for a nation not to do its best to prevent casualties of innocents from the other side.
I support every act Israel takes to help make the life of the Palestinians easier, even if just by a bit, but as much as possible without risking its own people's security.
 
I don't think Israel acted particularly correct in the interests of huminatarianism whilst at with Gaza. Numerous reports of prevantable civilian deaths and what-not. Destruction of buildings with nothing inside.
 
Richard Nixon said:
I don't think Israel acted particularly correct in the interests of huminatarianism whilst at with Gaza. Numerous reports of prevantable civilian deaths and what-not. Destruction of buildings with nothing inside.
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There were some mistakes that could have been prevented with a better communication between the army branches.
All of the incidents were mentioned in the IDF report on the operation.
 
Richard Nixon said:
I don't think Israel acted particularly correct in the interests of huminatarianism whilst at with Gaza. Numerous reports of prevantable civilian deaths and what-not. Destruction of buildings with nothing inside.
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They could not bomb the civilian areas in the first place, for example.
 
Ikari said:
They could not bomb the civilian areas in the first place, for example.
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The same 'civilian areas' that Hamas have launched their rockets from, completely disregarding the fact that innocents who have nothing to do with terror live their life in those areas, and perhaps even using it to prevent an Israeli attack on the launchers. (And sometimes they have indeed succeeded in doing so, as Israel chose not to attack many launch pods because of the risk to the Palestinian civilians in the area.)

This is the problem with counter-terrorism, it's a fight against civilians who chose to arm themselves up and attack civilians thinking it'll promote their political cause.
 
Israel has stated numerous times that the restrictions on the crossing points would be all but removed if IDF Cpl. Gilad Shalit were set free. Cpl. Shalit has been held in Hamas captivity since 2006.

Seems to me that Hamas values holding Cpl. Shalit much more than it values open crossing points. I have no idea why the people of Gaza allow such singular Hamas stupidity and stubbornness to endure for years at their collective expense. In light of this, one can only assume then that Hamas actually prefers restricted crossing points for the political propaganda value.

It's fairly simple. Release Cpl. Shalit and the bulk of the restrictions at the crossing points will be removed. Until this release transpires, the crossing point status-quo will remain in place.
 
Richard Nixon said:
An embargo is meant to make them suffer. To say that Israel was nice to Gaza in any capacity is ludicrous. They were just at war, for God's sake.
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The point is the same as it has always been. If the Palestinians stop lobbing rockets into Israel, and stop trying to murder innocent civilians, Israel will back off of their hard-line stance, giving the best chance for peace to be achieved in the region.

The problem is, Hamas isn't doing this because they're interested in peace, just as the NY Times article points several times.


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Hamas will take advantage of the lull to launch and attack and thing will be back where they were.

Peaceful relations between Israel and the PA are counter productive for Hamas and they will never allow it to go that far.
 
What wicked iniquity, permitting those evil terrorists to make gains. When cement blocks rain upon our beloved children of Tel Aviv, then they'll be sorry!
 
Apocalypse said:
The same 'civilian areas' that Hamas have launched their rockets from, completely disregarding the fact that innocents who have nothing to do with terror live their life in those areas, and perhaps even using it to prevent an Israeli attack on the launchers. (And sometimes they have indeed succeeded in doing so, as Israel chose not to attack many launch pods because of the risk to the Palestinian civilians in the area.
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Yeah, like the apartment complex where Israel says "hey...there's terrorists in there!" and bombs it, killing 10's of civilians and maybe...maybe getting the terrorist. Yup, that's what I'm talking about alright.
 
Of course, Hamas will inevitably hijack the cement and building materials and divert it to construct hardened underground bunkers.
 
Agnapostate said:
What wicked iniquity, permitting those evil terrorists to make gains. When cement blocks rain upon our beloved children of Tel Aviv, then they'll be sorry!
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You do realize that the materials transferred into the strip are used to build weapons, and only then used against civilians, and that the terrorists don't just throw the materials at you and hope you'll get one, yes?
 
Ikari said:
Yeah, like the apartment complex where Israel says "hey...there's terrorists in there!" and bombs it, killing 10's of civilians and maybe...maybe getting the terrorist. Yup, that's what I'm talking about alright.
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Just think, if the terrorists weren't hiding in the apartment building, it wouldn't have been attacked. Amazing, huh?
 
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