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    Re: Israel to allow cement into Gaza

    What wicked iniquity, permitting those evil terrorists to make gains. When cement blocks rain upon our beloved children of Tel Aviv, then they'll be sorry!

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    Re: Israel to allow cement into Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The same 'civilian areas' that Hamas have launched their rockets from, completely disregarding the fact that innocents who have nothing to do with terror live their life in those areas, and perhaps even using it to prevent an Israeli attack on the launchers. (And sometimes they have indeed succeeded in doing so, as Israel chose not to attack many launch pods because of the risk to the Palestinian civilians in the area.
    Yeah, like the apartment complex where Israel says "hey...there's terrorists in there!" and bombs it, killing 10's of civilians and maybe...maybe getting the terrorist. Yup, that's what I'm talking about alright.
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    Re: Israel to allow cement into Gaza

    Of course, Hamas will inevitably hijack the cement and building materials and divert it to construct hardened underground bunkers.

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    Re: Israel to allow cement into Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    What wicked iniquity, permitting those evil terrorists to make gains. When cement blocks rain upon our beloved children of Tel Aviv, then they'll be sorry!
    You do realize that the materials transferred into the strip are used to build weapons, and only then used against civilians, and that the terrorists don't just throw the materials at you and hope you'll get one, yes?
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    Re: Israel to allow cement into Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, like the apartment complex where Israel says "hey...there's terrorists in there!" and bombs it, killing 10's of civilians and maybe...maybe getting the terrorist. Yup, that's what I'm talking about alright.
    Just think, if the terrorists weren't hiding in the apartment building, it wouldn't have been attacked. Amazing, huh?
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    Re: Israel to allow cement into Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah, like the apartment complex where Israel says "hey...there's terrorists in there!" and bombs it, killing 10's of civilians and maybe...maybe getting the terrorist. Yup, that's what I'm talking about alright.
    Except your scenario is an urban fantasy. The Israelis always drop thousands of leaflets urging the residents to flee beforehand. They also make thousands of phone calls as well warning the civilians to evacuate. They do this even though the Palestinian terrorists primarily target Israeli civilian non-combatants.

    Thus, the Israeliís because Muslims always make a mockery of the Geneva conventions are forced to telescope their moves beforehand to avoid civilian casualties, which also puts their troops at much greater risk.

    Hence, any civilians that didn't leave after all of the warnings for all intents and purposes weren't civilians but terrorists instead or otherwise human shields seeking martyrdom and a one-way ticket to Allah's version of carnal paradise.

    Not to mention that in all the other jihads besides in Israel also taking place around the world everywhere the Islamic world collides with the non-Islamic world, the Muslims make a mockery of the Geneva Conventions, while they emulate their prophet Muhammad, the uswa hasana, the perfect model and excellent example for emulation instead.

    Thatís why we watch them on the Internet hollering Allahu Ackbar (God is great) as they slaughter kafirs (non-Muslims), most of them civilian non-combatant victims, because thatís the way Muhammad did it!

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    Re: Israel to allow cement into Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Turbeaux View Post
    Except your scenario is an urban fantasy. The Israelis always drop thousands of leaflets urging the residents to flee beforehand. They also make thousands of phone calls as well warning the civilians to evacuate. They do this even though the Palestinian terrorists primarily target Israeli civilian non-combatants.

    Thus, the Israeliís because Muslims always make a mockery of the Geneva conventions are forced to telescope their moves beforehand to avoid civilian casualties, which also puts their troops at much greater risk.

    Hence, any civilians that didn't leave after all of the warnings for all intents and purposes weren't civilians but terrorists instead or otherwise human shields seeking martyrdom and a one-way ticket to Allah's version of carnal paradise.

    Not to mention that in all the other jihads besides in Israel also taking place around the world everywhere the Islamic world collides with the non-Islamic world, the Muslims make a mockery of the Geneva Conventions, while they emulate their prophet Muhammad, the uswa hasana, the perfect model and excellent example for emulation instead.

    Thatís why we watch them on the Internet hollering Allahu Ackbar (God is great) as they slaughter kafirs (non-Muslims), most of them civilian non-combatant victims, because thatís the way Muhammad did it!
    Flee WHERE, exactly? Gaza is one of the most populated, tiny places you'll ever find.

    I like how people think firing Qassam rockets is equal to an invasion and embargo that systematically destroys Gaza's infrastructure and kills thousands. Qassam rockets are useless and their kill ratio is pathetic. Simply moving the Israeli's in Sderot and the surrounding areas back would solve that problem and move them out of range.

    Israel bombed numerous buildings with nothing but suspicion to guide them. Or hearsay. You don't bomb a civilian building without being at least FAIRLY certain there's rockets or militants inside. Even then I can't accept that with the level of Israeli military training and the intelligence of their weaponry that they 'accidentally' killed all those people. The US and Britain weren't that bad in Afghanistan and Iraq and they were under a lot more pressure.

    If Israel weren't committing such crimes I wish they would cooperate with the UN fact-finding mission.
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    Re: Israel to allow cement into Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Are we finally starting to see some easement on Gaza, and the cooperation of Israelis and Palestinians? Or is this just more of the same? Thoughts?
    The Israelis are generally pretty quick to make gestures like this.

    They have invariably been repaid with violence, injury, hatred and death.

    But maybe this time will be different.

    Maybe the sun will rise in the west tomorrow.


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    Re: Israel to allow cement into Gaza

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    Flee WHERE, exactly? Gaza is one of the most populated, tiny places you'll ever find.
    You evacuate the area and give me a break, I donít know what planet you live on but there are plenty of areas to evacuate to. How many leaflets and phone calls did Hamas and sister terrorist organizations make to civilian Israeli non-combatants to warn them to evacuate the areas before they fired their Kassams?

    I like how people think firing Qassam rockets is equal to an invasion and embargo that systematically destroys Gaza's infrastructure and kills thousands. Qassam rockets are useless and their kill ratio is pathetic. Simply moving the Israeli's in Sderot and the surrounding areas back would solve that problem and move them out of range.

    What are youÖan obsessed Islamofascist terrorist sympathizer or what? Let me fire 8,000 rockets into another sovereign country and at your wife, children, and neighborhood non-stop for almost 3 years and letís see how you would like it. Why should the people of Sderot be relocated? What did they do to the Islamofascist terrorists?

    The problem was not the invasion, the problem was Israel should have invaded Hamastan the same day the first Kassam was fired and then not stop the mission until the entire terrorist leadership had been obliterated and all the terrorists cleaned out.

    Israel bombed numerous buildings with nothing but suspicion to guide them.
    How the hell do you know this? Do you work for Shin Bet? Are you an officer in the IDF? Give me a break!

    Islamic terrorists the world over and especially in Gaza, Judea and Samaria, and also in Southern Lebanon are notorious for storing arms and munitions in the most densely populated packed areas. Not only that, but Muslims routinely use their own brethren as human shields and then when civilians inevitably get killed, they use their deaths that they are really responsible for to conduct an all out media blitz, with the willing collusion with the leftist hijacked media to deceive gullible dhimmis like you.

    You don't bomb a civilian building without being at least FAIRLY certain there's rockets or militants inside.
    Give me a break, even though it puts the lives of Israeli soldiers at much greater risk of being killed or maimed, Israel drops thousands of leaflets and also makes thousand of phone calls warning civilians to evacuate. They not only give the civilians a clear warning to evacuate the area, but provide plenty of time to do it as well.

    Now in your morally confused mind, contrast that with the fact that Islamic terrorists, not only just in Israel but also all over the world, primarily target and attack civilian combatants, including women, children, men, and the elderly in emulation of their prophet, the uswa hasana, and they usually do it when those civilian non-combatants least expect it.

    Not only that but Islamic terrorists often kill their own fellow Muslim brethren intentionally in an attempt to frame and blame Israel. Hell, the Taliban has also been doing the same thing in Afghanistan to blame Americans because they know it makes big front-page headlines. Then months later when emotions have died down and the internal investigations have concluded that the Israelis in Israel or the Americans in Afghanistan were not responsible, it either doesnít make it onto the news or if it does, it is buried in the back pages.

    Even then I can't accept that with the level of Israeli military training and the intelligence of their weaponry that they 'accidentally' killed all those people.
    Give me a break! You are accepting the word of taqiyya spewing Muslim terrorists who always intentionally inflate casualties again to manipulate gullible dhimmis like you. Not only that but if you werenít so morally blind and confused youíd know that the responsibility for any civilians caught in the crossfire is not the fault of the Israelis, but instead is the fault of the Islamic terrorists responsible for constantly firing 8,000 rockets inside Israel with impunity and aimed at civilian combatants.

    The US and Britain weren't that bad in Afghanistan and Iraq and they were under a lot more pressure.
    You Obviously have something against just Jews?

    If Israel weren't committing such crimes I wish they would cooperate with the UN fact-finding mission.
    What crimes? Israel went out of its way to avoid civilian casualties unlike Islamic terrorists that primarily target non-Muslim civilian combatants. It dropped thousands of leaflets and made thousands of phone calls warning civilians to evacuate the areas of combat, putting its own military at much greater risk in the process, Yet you vilify and demonize Israel completely out of context in an effort to incite hatred and violence toward Jews and Israel at the same time that you also apologize and sympathize with Islamic terrorists.

    Nevertheless, the Dar al Islamís jihad against Israel is exactly like all the other jihads taking place around the world.

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    Re: Israel to allow cement into Gaza

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Nixon View Post
    I like how people think firing Qassam rockets is equal to an invasion and embargo
    Nobody says those two are equal, nobody expects war to be handled equally for ****'s sake.
    Nevertheless, if Mexico's government had begun launching over one hundred rockets per day on American cities for 8 years, it would sure as hell justify an invasion of American forces into Mexico.
    And we're speaking about a sovereign nation here(Mexico), when the nation is not sovereign (Gaza Strip), the justification for an invasion is completely undeniable and unchallenged.
    that systematically destroys Gaza's infrastructure and kills thousands.
    Thousands?
    Again, demonization at its best, as far as I know even the most biased sources you could find on the internet would not stretch it over 1,500 casualties.
    You've just beaten their high score, congratz.
    Besides, only 250 civis died, I don't see a need to count terrorists' life, I care only for the innocents.
    Qassam rockets are useless and their kill ratio is pathetic.
    One of the more-ignorant arguments one could present when judging the severity of launching rockets at civilians while they sleep at nights.
    I'm sure you know how advanced Israel's security from rockets is, and you know that Israel has many shelters spread among the cities that lie in the range of the rockets and has an alarm system that goes on 40 seconds before the rocket hits and warns the civilians.
    Of course the kill ratio would be 'low', it doesn't change the fact that over 800,000 people need to stop whatever their doing and run for their life.
    If 80 rockets were launched at your place from a very close area, you'll not be aware they're coming and chances are you'll have a bunch of nails going through your head, or anything else that the terrorist chose to fill the rockets with this time, to maximize the damage done to civilians.

    It is really a shame how people allow themselves to criticize other people and tell them not to be afraid from "some harmless rockets", when they'll probably be running for their lives screaming like a bunch of little girls if they were in this situation.
    Simply moving the Israeli's in Sderot and the surrounding areas back would solve that problem and move them out of range.
    This statement is equal to Marie Antoinette's statement, "If they have no bread, let them eat cake", you are trying to suggest a solution to the problem that is so ridiculous and bizarre, making your ignorance of the subject unavoidable to those who know where Sderot is, what's the range of those rockets, that Sderot is not the only city/town in the range of the rockets (Sderot has only a few tens of thousands people in it, in total, over 800,000 people are in the rocket's range), and above all, what the effect of surrendering to terror and moving your own people out of your own land means.
    In your case, silence was worth gold, and you've let it go away by saying this sentence.
    Israel bombed numerous buildings with nothing but suspicion to guide them. Or hearsay. You don't bomb a civilian building without being at least FAIRLY certain there's rockets or militants inside.
    You seem to imply you are so resourceful that you can easily tell why Israel has bombed every place that it bombed and what its level of suspicion was.
    Unlike you, I do have the resources to know that Israel has only bombed areas where one of the followings had occurred:
    1) Building/area was used for terror strikes against Israel (rocket launchers, launcher pods)
    2) Armed terrorists in the place.
    3) Building/area used to store/create ammunition and weapons for the terrorists.
    4) Hamas owned buildings/areas.
    5) Hamas controlled buildings/areas.

    During those strikes Israel has done its best to avoid civilian casualties by dropping leaflets, phoning the homes in the area of the attack and telling them to clear the area, etc.
    Even then I can't accept that with the level of Israeli military training and the intelligence of their weaponry that they 'accidentally' killed all those people.
    It's quite logical, you said it yourself, the Strip is a densely populated area, with over 1.5 million people in such a small piece of land.
    The US and Britain weren't that bad in Afghanistan and Iraq and they were under a lot more pressure.
    They were worse, you just don't hear about it from human rights groups and others.
    The number of civilians that died in Iraq and A-stan as a result of British and American attacks is not even matchable with the number of civilians that died in the Gaza strip.
    America and Britain also unfortunately do not take the same level of civilian alerting Israel takes, but I do not blame them, Israel would act just like them if it was not under a constant media attack.
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