US says Russia could join NATO

[kaya'08]

The Obama administration said Tuesday it is not ruling out the possibility of Russian membership in NATO.

Assistant Secretary of State Philip Gordon told U.S. lawmakers that the United States would consider Russian membership in the military alliance that was founded to protect Europe from Soviet aggression.

Gordon said NATO's doors should be open to democracies in Europe. He added that "if Russia meets the criteria and can contribute to common security, and there is a consensus in the alliance, it shouldn't be excluded."

NATO is often vilified in Russia, which has objected to the alliance's expansion to include countries on its border.

But the Obama administration is seeking better relations and says it wants to convince Moscow that NATO is no longer a threat.

US says Russia could join NATO - Hürriyet Daily News and Economic Review

The Obama administration is apparently "not ruling out the possibility of Russia joining NATO". I have to admit, im not of complete opposition to Obama and what he is doing, but this has to be the stupidiest thing an American administration has said for years. Russia has spent its entire modern existence controlling, fighting, and terrifying NATO and all that it stands for. And yet, the Obama administration "is not ruling out the possibility" of Russia joining its worst ever enemy; NATO. Are these people in fantasy land?

EDIT: Im stunned they consider Russia a Democracy also.

 

[a777pilot]

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What did Joe Biden say now?

 

[a777pilot]

Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

US says Russia could join NATO - Hürriyet Daily News and Economic Review

The Obama administration is apparently "not ruling out the possibility of Russia joining NATO". I have to admit, im not of complete opposition to Obama and what he is doing, but this has to be the stupidiest thing an American administration has said for years. Russia has spent its entire modern existence controlling, fighting, and terrifying NATO and all that it stands for. And yet, the Obama administration "is not ruling out the possibility" of Russia joining its worst ever enemy; NATO. Are these people in fantasy land?

EDIT: Im stunned they consider Russia a Democracy also.

The Bobo Administartion thinks that Iran and Venezuela are democratcies. So why not Russia? Next thing we will hear the bobo crew say China and North Korea are democraties. It wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Gray_Fox_86]

Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

well, Obama hasn't embarrassed himself as many times as Bush did in the same amount of time as president. Russia doesn't want to join NATO, so it's out of the question.

 

[a777pilot]

Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

well, Obama hasn't embarrassed himself as many times as Bush did in the same amount of time as president. Russia doesn't want to join NATO, so it's out of the question.

Bobo is making Bush(43) look like an absolute genus. I did not think it possible but I miss the Bush(43).

 

[sam_w]

Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

<sigh> Talks of Russia joining NATO have existed since the Soviet Union broke up, this is nothing new. The basic theory has always been to question what direction Russia will go, will they address themselves as a European state, or will they address themselves as something unique, or Eastern. The statement itself is meant as question to Russia to answer in which direction Russia wishes to take. Again, this is nothing new. The only thing you need to read into this is the statement to Russia that Ukraine joining NATO is not to be seen as a threat.




Putin says Russia could join NATO - March 2000

Acting President Vladimir Putin set off a wave of criticism Sunday from his rivals in the race for March 26 presidential elections by telling a British television network that Russia could join NATO.

SHOULD RUSSIA JOIN NATO? - Prof. Yuriy DAVYDOV,
NATO Research Fellow,

Let Russia join NATO - LA Times August 2006

Why a Democratic Russia Should Join NATO - Carnegie Endowment - July 2006

 

[Apocalypse]

Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

I thought you need to be a democracy in order to join NATO.

 

[sam_w]

Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

I thought you need to be a democracy in order to join NATO.

You are correct, which is in part one of the reasons NATO has engaged Russia on this. In order for Russia to be able to enter into serious negotiations there would have to be fundamental changes made obviously, changes that would alleviate a lot of the anxiety Europe has as to Russia's future direction. The theory here is that by engaging Russia, drawing them into a mutual beneficial/integrated/dependent relationship, Russia would no longer be a threat but rather an ally. Again it goes back to the question of which role Russia wishes to seek for itself. If it determines itself to be a European state, then it is obvious for Russia to join NATO.

 

[a777pilot]

Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

The Presidents Bush(41) and Clinton along with the Democrat controlled Congress deserve all the blame for the current state of bad relations between the United States and Russia.

If either Bush(41) and/or Clinton had bushed for the spending of between $300 and $500 billion to rebuild Russia and support their budding democracy, as Mr. Henry Kissinger had recommended, we would have a partner now vice an adversary.

Penny wise and pound foolish. The Democrat control Congress wanted money, the so called "Peace Dividend" for their pet projects. I sure wish these Congress Critters had been able to understand that peace was its own reward. That money could have been better spent.

 

[kaya'08]

Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

The Presidents Bush(41) and Clinton along with the Democrat controlled Congress deserve all the blame for the current state of bad relations between the United States and Russia.

If either Bush(41) and/or Clinton had bushed for the spending of between $300 and $500 billion to rebuild Russia and support their budding democracy, as Mr. Henry Kissinger had recommended, we would have a partner now vice an adversary.

Penny wise and pound foolish. The Democrat control Congress wanted money, the so called "Peace Dividend" for their pet projects. I sure wish these Congress Critters had been able to understand that peace was its own reward. That money could have been better spent.

Or we'd have an enemy that we funded to create.

 

[Laila]

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The Obama administration said Tuesday it is not ruling out the possibility of Russian membership in NATO.

Meh.
Russia will not make it through the requirements needed to join NATO

 

[a777pilot]

Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

Or we'd have an enemy that we funded to create.

Sort of like Japan, Germany and Italy?

 

[WillRockwell]

Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

If the Right could peer into the future, they might see the advantage of having Russia in our side if China decides it needs more "room".

 

[OxymoronP]

Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

Nothing better then a Nato with the Nation that Nato was meant to defend again :lol::lol::lol:

 

[kaya'08]

Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

Sort of like Japan, Germany and Italy?

Japan, Germany and Italy never had a constant history of competition and cold feelings between the two. Yes, each country has definetly had its fair share of hostility towards the US in the past, but Russia has had a long, constant, never dying fear, "brotherly competition" and hatred towards the US, its sphere of influence that it insists it remains under Russia (despite that rehtoric being old school USSR) and acting like its still a big world player and superpower even when its not, and the fact that old anti-US ex-soviet rehtoric has still carried into Russia's democracy days prooves to me the US can help build Russia all it wants but its evident that opposition to US rule will never die, and that need to keep there "sphere of influence". So yes, i think we could have waved all the money in the world in there faces, wouldnt change the fact they have nukes and they still view NATO and the US as an imminent threat. This whole opposition to the west is something Russia hasnt let go since its Soviet-democratic transition, not because we didnt give them all the money they wanted, but because the Russians are too self righteous and proud to bow down to America.

 

[WillRockwell]

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Nothing better then a Nato with the Nation that Nato was meant to defend again :lol::lol::lol:

Think before you type, it makes you look smarter. the "Nation that Nato was meant to defend again" was the USSR, which no longer exists.

 

[rathi]

Obama is just spouting empty rhetoric to give the feeling of being inclusive. I doubt he actually expects Russia to agree, he just trying to craft a friendlier image of American foreign policy.

 

[WillRockwell]

Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

Russia has had a long, constant, never dying fear, "brotherly competition" and hatred towards the US, .

That's just not true. We were allies in WW2, and Russia sold Alaska to the US for 100 pounds of seal meat (something like that). In fact, Russia and the US have NEVER been enemies. The cold war was a conflict between the US and USSR (Correct me if I'm wrong)

 

[justone]

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Nothing better then a Nato with the Nation that Nato was meant to defend again :lol::lol::lol:

Indeed, NATO was created to counter the USSR. With the fall of the USSR countering Russia became the sole purpose of the existence of NATO. Now if Russia joins NATO -------- I cannot even continue …. I have to stop laughing…


Does Obama have to be a total moron? How can one be so clueless?

I don’t even know how to comment seriously on such moronic actions/announcements of the present administration on the geopolitical stage.

Russia is rebuilding itself from the devastation inflicted by the rule of democracy in 1990s. In the very nearest future it sees itself to be a lot stronger than NATO. Thus it would be up to Russia to tell NATO, – ‘Reject democracy and you can join us.’

It is like the present situation with Ukraine, - the US supports the democracy in Ukraine and drugs it to NATO. The Ukrainian regime propped by the US has 5% approval rating among Ukrainians, while the majority of Ukrainians approve Putin.

It is like the present situation with Georgia, the US supports the democracy in Georgia and drugs it to NATO, rearming the Georgian military destroyed by the Russian Army #58. The Russian Army #58 lost 75 people. Russia meanwhile rearms and reorganize Army #12 so the human loses would not be so high the next time.


It is like the present situation with Lithuania, to inspire Lithuanians in their hostile attitude towards Russia NATO sends 3 (!) Dutch fighters to Lithuania to scare Russia from the borders of Lithuania. Russia sells a whole bunch of fighters to India and makes join R&D projects. The US sends fighters to simulate a fight. Indians pilots trained by Russians in Russian fighters beat the US fighters. The US fighters come back and cry that they need F-22 to beat Russians.

And so the show is going on and on, making it to be fun to watch.


Obama’s administration is totally disconnected from realities at home and it is even more disconnected from the realities on the geopolitical stage and it has no clue about Russia.

You wouldn't understand Russia just using the intellect
You couldn't measure her using the common scale
She has a special kind of grace
You can only believe in her.

Fyodor Ivanovich Tyutchev, a Russian diplomat.

 

[justone]

Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

never dying fear, "brotherly competition" and hatred towards the US

Can you provide any references or links except for BBC? You fear and hatred towards Russia is not a proof of Russian fear and hatred towards the US.

This whole opposition to the west is something Russia hasnt let go since its Soviet-democratic transition, not because we didnt give them all the money they wanted, but because the Russians are too self righteous and proud to bow down to America.

That also used to be the main feature of Americans, - not to bow to anybody. Even if now we see the mass bowing to Obama, such a spirit has not been destroyed completely in the US. Being proud of it I see no reason not to respect the same in Russians.

And you have not noticed the transition from democracy but not towards democracy in Russia. Despising democracy I see no reason not to respect the same in Russians.

I know the idea of giving a full respect to your rival is new to you and absolutely absent in Obama, but you wouldn’t go too far with Russia until you get it.

 

[Apocalypse]

Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

Think before you type, it makes you look smarter. the "Nation that Nato was meant to defend again" was the USSR, which no longer exists.

You are partially correct.
The USSR is no longer, but Russia was a major member in it.

To put an example for the situation, it is as if tomorrow Argentina would make an alliance with Mexico and Brazil against the EU, and half a century later, after the EU will dissolve(this is only an example, not a prophecy), this alliance would decide to invite in France, Germany and Italy.

 

[WillRockwell]

Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

Does Obama have to be a total moron? How can one be so clueless?

I don’t even know how to comment seriously on such moronic actions/announcements of the present administration on the geopolitical stage.
Obama’s administration is totally disconnected from realities at home and it is even more disconnected from the realities on the geopolitical stage and it has no clue about Russia.

And yet we are to assume that you are more in touch with the realities of foreign relations than Obama's State Department. I mean, to call him a "moron" means that the truth is so obvious that he and his entire team are just blind.
Usually in a situation like that, where one person thinks that hundreds of dedicated professionals are "morons", that one person (you) is the one who is out of touch and ignorant of the facts.

 

[justone]

Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

You are partially correct.
The USSR is no longer, but Russia was a major member in it.

To put an example for the situation, it is as if tomorrow Argentina would make an alliance with Mexico and Brazil against the EU, and half a century later, after the EU will dissolve(this is only an example, not a prophecy), this alliance would decide to invite in France, Germany and Italy.

The USSR was a certain political regime. It was not like when the USSR broke it broke in parts of the same regime and Russia was the major part of the same regime. There is no USSR in Russia.

 

[Apocalypse]

Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

The USSR was a certain political regime. It was not like when the USSR broke it broke in parts of the same regime and Russia was the major part of the same regime. There is no USSR in Russia.

Correct, but it's not like the USSR has removed its ideology from its member-states once it fell.

 

[justone]

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And yet we are to assume that you are more in touch with the realities of foreign relations than Obama's State Department. I mean, to call him a "moron" means that the truth is so obvious that he and his entire team are just blind.
Usually in a situation like that, where one person thinks that hundreds of dedicated professionals are "morons", that one person (you) is the one who is out of touch and ignorant of the facts.

Have you ever tried to get a grip on such a simple thing as a debate, a conversation? No. Have ever any of your friends here made an attempt? No. So what is unusual if hundreds of dedicated professionals missed the collapse of the USSR, the fall of the criminal mafia supported by them in Kremlin, rise of Putin and his stunning success and many other things happening in the Russia?

You have not replied to the facts given in my premises but you quote only the conclusion, which is already a logical fallacy, and you attack the conclusion with the common for all Obama worshipers fallacy of bowing to authorities. A few days ago I saw one of your friends telling me that my mathematics was wrong because it was not authorized by IPCC. What could I say in reply to such a set of mind?