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    Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    That's just not true. We were allies in WW2, and Russia sold Alaska to the US for 100 pounds of seal meat (something like that). In fact, Russia and the US have NEVER been enemies. The cold war was a conflict between the US and USSR (Correct me if I'm wrong)
    Ally or "fighting the same enemy"? The US and USSR where staunch enemies, and i agree with you however that Russia and the US have never been enemies yet they are not friends, infact things have been pretty sour before and after the break up of the union, the interests of Russia can be percieved as expansionist and counter to the western ideology.

    EDIT: I dont hate or fear Russia. Whats a couple of nukes guna do when they have an out of date army and a crappy economy to back that up with?

    Can you provide any references or links except for BBC? You fear and hatred towards Russia is not a proof of Russian fear and hatred towards the US.
    My bad, i was referring to the USSR. But i still think there is competition between the two; who can gobble up the eastern countries under there influence faster than each other (NATO and Russia). Bear in mind the US is a major player in NATO and Russia views it as such.

    That also used to be the main feature of Americans, - not to bow to anybody. Even if now we see the mass bowing to Obama, such a spirit has not been destroyed completely in the US. Being proud of it I see no reason not to respect the same in Russians.
    Russia joining NATO, to them, is like giving into the west/the US and aligning themselves completely with those such powers. The whole reason many of there beliefs is counter to ours (the expansion of there influence in Eastern Europe, the missile defence shield) is because they do not wish to align themselves completely with us and therefore "give in" to the west. I did not say dont expect this of them.
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    Re: US says Russia could join NATO

    I appreciate the sentiment, but Russia is too inconsistent to be a member of NATO. It hasn't proven itself as a strong democracy yet. Plus, it's kind of an oxymoron to include Russia in an organization that was designed to balance its power. It's kind of like the term Gay Republican. Letting Russia into NATO implies that the threat is a non-issue now. Again, the sentiment is nice, but not realistic. Russia's foreign policy still often contradicts ours.
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    Re: US says Russia could join NATO

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I appreciate the sentiment, but Russia is too inconsistent to be a member of NATO. It hasn't proven itself as a strong democracy yet. Plus, it's kind of an oxymoron to include Russia in an organization that was designed to balance its power. It's kind of like the term Gay Republican. Letting Russia into NATO implies that the threat is a non-issue now. Again, the sentiment is nice, but not realistic. Russia's foreign policy still often contradicts ours.
    Exactly. Not much point having them join the club if the majority of operations and conflicts we carry out are contrary to there beliefs.
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    Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Nixon View Post
    I'm responding to the initial post. But oh my, you're so abrasive! OOO!
    It was just a FRIENDLY advice. People who jumop into a tread not reading it are looking a kind of.... funny... for other participants.

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    Re: US says Russia could join NATO

    Yeah…it’s only a matter time before Obama invites N. Korea, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, and AQ to join NATO.

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    Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    When you begin and end your reply ranting about "morons" you have removed yourself from any intelligent debate.
    That’s why you are still talking to me?

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    You are incorrect that "all Obama worshipers bow to authorities". That doesn't even make sense, yet you base your "argument" on it. You also quote one of my "friends" saying something. Make no mistake, I do not seek friends here, and have been as harsh to liberals as to ditto-heads.
    Your post is an appeal to authority fallacy, all other posts of yours are infected with all kind of fallacies. Obama worshipers do not submit any other kind of posts.


    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    If you truly want to debate, then confine your language to facts and hypothisis, your insults are not productive and not welcome.
    I feign no hypothesis. Your logical fallacies are facts, quoted, pointed to and explained.

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    While remnants of the Soviet Union still rule Russia, the nation is different, and certainly does not harbor the imperial dreams it did when the world was in fear of Communism.
    And whom do you expect to rule Russia, - American experts? The former Soviet citizens rule Russia.



    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Is Russia any more corrupt than Turkey, Romania, or many other nations which are being welcomed into NATO? I doubt it.
    It is a lot less corrupted than Georgia and Ukraine if the comparasion matters, but the professional experts would never say so.

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Does it matter?

    Corruption is of a great matter to ‘’the remnants of the Soviet Union who still rule Russia’’. As the matter of fact it is their main challenge, the problem #1.

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    The idea of NATO is to band together against aggression.


    The idea of NATO was to band together against aggression of the USSR,
    the idea of NATO is to band together against aggression of Russia.

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    If Russia can get its act together enough to refrain from military adventurism against other Western nations, then its entry into NATO would greatly strengthen that organization.
    The acts of Russia do not matter, if Russia refrains from military adventurism against other Western nations all the purpose and meaning, the whole idea of NATO pointed above
    would be nullified. So whatever Russia does less of disarming and handing its arms to the Western nations it has to be taken as exercising military adventurism against other Western nations, - just for NATO to exist. The fact itself, that Russia acquires a strong and independent military is the military adventurism of Russia against other Western nations in the view of the hundreds of dedicated professional experts, there is not even one, justone dissenting voice among them. And if one appears it is sent to a mental institution as a birther or a racist or a right wing nut. The unity of the experts is stunning.
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    Re: US says Russia could join NATO

    Laila at last i agree with you,can never trust them could we my English friend.

    U take care of your selve.

    kind regards to U.

    mikeey

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    Re: US says Russia could join NATO

    Of course if they comply with international standards, and live up to being a modern democracy that respects humans rights, why SHOULDN'T they be allowed into NATO. It could be used as leverage against Iran.

    No one is saying we're going to let them in tomorrow for ****s and giggles, although that's what the hacks on this board would like you to believe.

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    Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

    Quote Originally Posted by stalin_was_a_nice_being View Post
    well, Obama hasn't embarrassed himself as many times as Bush did in the same amount of time as president. Russia doesn't want to join NATO, so it's out of the question.
    Here we go again, its all about Bush.

    Obama has only been in office 6 months; as if that in itself isn't a testimony for what is yet to come, give him time; he and Biden have done amazing things to catch to Bush and super-exceed him.

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    Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    The Presidents Bush(41) and Clinton along with the Democrat controlled Congress deserve all the blame for the current state of bad relations between the United States and Russia.

    If either Bush(41) and/or Clinton had bushed for the spending of between $300 and $500 billion to rebuild Russia and support their budding democracy, as Mr. Henry Kissinger had recommended, we would have a partner now vice an adversary.

    Penny wise and pound foolish. The Democrat control Congress wanted money, the so called "Peace Dividend" for their pet projects. I sure wish these Congress Critters had been able to understand that peace was its own reward. That money could have been better spent.
    I somewhat agree with this and felt that we should have done more to support Democratic reforms in Russia.

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