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    Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Think before you type, it makes you look smarter. the "Nation that Nato was meant to defend again" was the USSR, which no longer exists.
    You are partially correct.
    The USSR is no longer, but Russia was a major member in it.

    To put an example for the situation, it is as if tomorrow Argentina would make an alliance with Mexico and Brazil against the EU, and half a century later, after the EU will dissolve(this is only an example, not a prophecy), this alliance would decide to invite in France, Germany and Italy.
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    Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    Does Obama have to be a total moron? How can one be so clueless?

    I donít even know how to comment seriously on such moronic actions/announcements of the present administration on the geopolitical stage.
    Obamaís administration is totally disconnected from realities at home and it is even more disconnected from the realities on the geopolitical stage and it has no clue about Russia.
    And yet we are to assume that you are more in touch with the realities of foreign relations than Obama's State Department. I mean, to call him a "moron" means that the truth is so obvious that he and his entire team are just blind.
    Usually in a situation like that, where one person thinks that hundreds of dedicated professionals are "morons", that one person (you) is the one who is out of touch and ignorant of the facts.

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    Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    You are partially correct.
    The USSR is no longer, but Russia was a major member in it.

    To put an example for the situation, it is as if tomorrow Argentina would make an alliance with Mexico and Brazil against the EU, and half a century later, after the EU will dissolve(this is only an example, not a prophecy), this alliance would decide to invite in France, Germany and Italy.
    The USSR was a certain political regime. It was not like when the USSR broke it broke in parts of the same regime and Russia was the major part of the same regime. There is no USSR in Russia.

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    Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    The USSR was a certain political regime. It was not like when the USSR broke it broke in parts of the same regime and Russia was the major part of the same regime. There is no USSR in Russia.
    Correct, but it's not like the USSR has removed its ideology from its member-states once it fell.
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    Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    And yet we are to assume that you are more in touch with the realities of foreign relations than Obama's State Department. I mean, to call him a "moron" means that the truth is so obvious that he and his entire team are just blind.
    Usually in a situation like that, where one person thinks that hundreds of dedicated professionals are "morons", that one person (you) is the one who is out of touch and ignorant of the facts.

    Have you ever tried to get a grip on such a simple thing as a debate, a conversation? No. Have ever any of your friends here made an attempt? No. So what is unusual if hundreds of dedicated professionals missed the collapse of the USSR, the fall of the criminal mafia supported by them in Kremlin, rise of Putin and his stunning success and many other things happening in the Russia?

    You have not replied to the facts given in my premises but you quote only the conclusion, which is already a logical fallacy, and you attack the conclusion with the common for all Obama worshipers fallacy of bowing to authorities. A few days ago I saw one of your friends telling me that my mathematics was wrong because it was not authorized by IPCC. What could I say in reply to such a set of mind?
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    Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Correct, but it's not like the USSR has removed its ideology from its member-states once it fell.
    I wouldn't even understand what you are saying. What USSR? The one which is long gone? Some of its member-states are members of NATO. Indeed they - the members and the memebrs of NATO to be - are infected with the Soviet ideology, but it does mean that all other states are as sick. It varies greatly from a state to state.

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    Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

    I don't understand why Russia joining NATO would be a bad thing. Increased man power, making an ally out of an enemy and the ceasation of hositilities? It's better than having them as enemy.

    Of course this won't happen. Russia are opposed to Georgia and Ukraine joining NATO never mind themselves.
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    Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Nixon View Post
    I don't understand why Russia joining NATO would be a bad thing. Increased man power, making an ally out of an enemy and the ceasation of hositilities? It's better than having them as enemy.

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    Just a friendly advise.
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    Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    You would understand many, many things, if you ever tried to read a tread before jumping into it.







    Just a friendly advise.
    I'm responding to the initial post. But oh my, you're so abrasive! OOO!
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    Re: US says Russia could join NATO (rofl)

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    Have you ever tried to get a grip on such a simple thing as a debate, a conversation? No. Have ever any of your friends here made an attempt? No. So what is unusual if hundreds of dedicated professionals missed the collapse of the USSR, the fall of the criminal mafia supported by them in Kremlin, rise of Putin and his stunning success and many other things happening in the Russia?

    You have not replied to the facts given in my premises but you quote only the conclusion, which is already a logical fallacy, and you attack the conclusion with the common for all Obama worshipers fallacy of bowing to authorities. A few days ago I saw one of your friends telling me that my mathematics was wrong because it was not authorized by IPCC. What could I say in reply to such a set of mind?
    When you begin and end your reply ranting about "morons" you have removed yourself from any intelligent debate.

    You are incorrect that "all Obama worshipers bow to authorities". That doesn't even make sense, yet you base your "argument" on it. You also quote one of my "friends" saying something. Make no mistake, I do not seek friends here, and have been as harsh to liberals as to ditto-heads.
    If you truly want to debate, then confine your language to facts and hypothisis, your insults are not productive and not welcome.

    While remnants of the Soviet Union still rule Russia, the nation is different, and certainly does not harbor the imperial dreams it did when the world was in fear of Communism. Is Russia any more corrupt than Turkey, Romania, or many other nations which are being welcomed into NATO? I doubt it. Does it matter? The idea of NATO is to band together against aggression. If Russia can get its act together enough to refrain from military adventurism against other Western nations, then its entry into NATO would greatly strengthen that organization.

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