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    Re: No healthcare reform vote before autumn: Obama

    Obamacare equals EUTHANASIA CARE AND RATION CARE, it will not only destroy the best healthcare delivery system the world has ever known, it will raise the cost, raise taxes, kill the stock market, kill the economy, and kill jobs. Obama has already caused enormous damage to this country. He must be restrained. Stop Obamacare and Cap and trade and let’s save America.

    Obama is a hard left radical and fanatic. He has appointed other radicals to cabinet level posts. He has circumvented the constitution via the appointment of radicals to be czars that aren’t answerable to anyone but him. He sat in Rev. Wright’s pews for 20 plus years and all his associations before he was elected were with hardcore radicals.

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    Re: No healthcare reform vote before autumn: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Has it escaped everyone's attention that Dear Leader doesn't even have a plan? He has a wish list, not a plan. He wants "reform", but has no clue what the nuts and bolts of that "reform" should be.

    It is no different than it was with the "stimulus" bill--he wanted "stimulus", but staked out no position on what would actually be stimulative. Instead, he merely took the porkfest conjured up by Queen Nancy and her cadre of Congressional Corruptocrats and waved it in front of everyone as "stimulus" (never mind that economists on the left and the right looked at it and said "no, this is not stimulus").

    Now, Queen Nancy, Henry Taxman, along with her Senate shills Chris Dudd and Kent Conman, are attempting to conjure up another round of reckless raping of the public fisc, and Dear Leader will once again accept it uncritically, touting it as "reform."

    What sort of leadership is that? How can anyone know if what is requested is what is being delivered unless they have some idea of what the deliverables should look like?

    Dear Leader is guilty of a double sin: he seeks greater government control, power, and involvement in the lives of ordinary people, and he cares not a bit about how his corruptocrat companions in Congress get it for him.
    Unlike most Americans, he has tried to learn a few lessons from history: On health care reform:
    1) it must be done quickly before the Republicans rally the propaganda scare machine ( a lesson from the Johnson era).
    2) Suggest, but do not dictate, what the reform must look like. Congress is much happier when they have a hand forming the baby. ( lesson learned from the Clinton administration).

    As far as government control of the H.C. system- you should be long past worrying about that.

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    Re: No healthcare reform vote before autumn: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Turbeaux View Post
    Obamacare equals EUTHANASIA CARE AND RATION CARE, it will not only destroy the best healthcare delivery system the world has ever known, it will raise the cost, raise taxes, kill the stock market, kill the economy, and kill jobs. Obama has already caused enormous damage to this country. He must be restrained. Stop Obamacare and Cap and trade and let’s save America.

    Obama is a hard left radical and fanatic. He has appointed other radicals to cabinet level posts. He has circumvented the constitution via the appointment of radicals to be czars that aren’t answerable to anyone but him. He sat in Rev. Wright’s pews for 20 plus years and all his associations before he was elected were with hardcore radicals.
    Hmmm. Objection. Plaintiff states facts not in evidence.

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    Re: No healthcare reform vote before autumn: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    You do understand that the Republicans can do nothing about this? Right? The Dems could have passed it last January if they wanted to. They could have passed it this week without a single Republican vote.

    No, the Democrats have a HUGE public relations problem with this, and several will be voted out of office for passing it. That is why there is a delay.
    Not all Democrats support the Health care bill. The Democrats themselves are in debate over this, which is why it won't pass.
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    Re: No healthcare reform vote before autumn: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Unlike most Americans, he has tried to learn a few lessons from history: On health care reform:
    1) it must be done quickly before the Republicans rally the propaganda scare machine ( a lesson from the Johnson era).
    Why is this a "Republican" anything? He has the majority and the votes to pass it; what does this have to do with Republicans?

    As to scare machines, what is that; is this the one that tries to get the FACTS about Government managed programs to the people so that they can make an informed choice?

    Here's part of that scare tactic; ask your congressman if they and this President will be under the SAME plan they claim is so great for us; if the answer is "no," then I think it is clear your answer should also be a flat out "no." Tell them you are fine if it is the same healthcare program THEY get and see what the answer will be; if not a bunch of diversionary tactics and obfuscations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    2) Suggest, but do not dictate, what the reform must look like. Congress is much happier when they have a hand forming the baby. ( lesson learned from the Clinton administration).
    So far we haven't seen "dictate", just lies and distortions about what it will provide and how much it will cost; but give these cretins time, I am sure they will get to the dictate stage and then we will all be royally screwed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    As far as government control of the H.C. system- you should be long past worrying about that.
    Really; how is this possible? Have you looked at the confiscatory tax rates other countries are paying for their systems? Have you seen the waiting lists? Have you seen the shortage of doctors and technological breakthroughs?

    I am fascinated when people argue FOR mediocrity and not demand better.

    I had a debate with a Canadian friend about waiting times and their response was basically; “I have no problem waiting for something as mundane as acid reflux if others are in greater need first.”

    My response was why ANYONE should have to wait; we certainly don't have to in this country....YET. But give Democrats time and we will have the same ****ty care everyone else has.

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    Re: No healthcare reform vote before autumn: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Why is this a "Republican" anything? He has the majority and the votes to pass it; what does this have to do with Republicans?

    As to scare machines, what is that; is this the one that tries to get the FACTS about Government managed programs to the people so that they can make an informed choice?
    INFORMED! The nonsense and hyperbole coming out of the mouths of Repubs would be funny if it was not so sad.

    GOP congressman compares Obama to Hitler
    Appearing on Alex Jones' wacky conspiracy theory radio show, Republican Congressman Louie Gohmert has claimed that President Obama's health care plan will be a form of socialism which will "kill senior citizens". He also claimed that the government will "tell you what you eat, what you drink, how you exercise, (and) where you live". He was just getting started. He went on to state that the government will mandate when Americans will be permitted to have children, comparing this to a government program to limit the population of wild horses.


    So far we haven't seen "dictate", just lies and distortions about what it will provide and how much it will cost; but give these cretins time, I am sure they will get to the dictate stage and then we will all be royally screwed.
    So far, there is no single plan. There are competing ideas and no firm reconciliation between factions so I am not sure what lies and distortions you refer to?


    Really; how is this possible? Have you looked at the confiscatory tax rates other countries are paying for their systems? Have you seen the waiting lists? Have you seen the shortage of doctors and technological breakthroughs?
    I don't know what your situation is but many people in my state (Maine) look longingly at the health care that Canadians receive. You can boast that the system works for YOU but don't speak for most people. If you happen to be among the millions in the U.S. who cannot buy insurance or have experienced recission at the hands of unscrupulous insurers, you would not be so satisfied.
    I am fascinated when people argue FOR mediocrity and not demand better.
    Since Americans spend double what other countries spend on H.C., we should be able to do better than the mess that we have.
    I had a debate with a Canadian friend about waiting times and their response was basically; “I have no problem waiting for something as mundane as acid reflux if others are in greater need first.”

    My response was why ANYONE should have to wait; we certainly don't have to in this country....YET.
    That depends. The woman who testified in Congress last month, had to wait 6 months for breast cancer surgery because her company practiced recission. Meanwhile, her tumor doubled in size.

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    Re: No healthcare reform vote before autumn: Obama

    Each day delayed is a good thing for the insurance companies and their lobbyists. It means millions in their pockets every day it's delayed.

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    Re: No healthcare reform vote before autumn: Obama

    1) it must be done quickly before the Republicans rally the propaganda scare machine ( a lesson from the Johnson era).
    AKA facts.

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    Re: No healthcare reform vote before autumn: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    AKA facts.
    You mean, like 'Obama is gonna kill your Grandma'. Those "facts"???

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    Re: No healthcare reform vote before autumn: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Why is this a "Republican" anything? He has the majority and the votes to pass it; what does this have to do with Republicans?
    Easy.

    If this turd passes with little GOP support, the disaster will be the Republicans' fault, but the damn people are so friggin' stupid they'll think it's the Democrats' fault because they're the ones that passed. Stupid silly voters, they might even stop voting for the Messiah and his party.

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