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    Re: No healthcare reform vote before autumn: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    You do understand that the Republicans can do nothing about this? Right? The Dems could have passed it last January if they wanted to. They could have passed it this week without a single Republican vote.

    No, the Democrats have a HUGE public relations problem with this, and several will be voted out of office for passing it. That is why there is a delay.
    What I understand is that both parties are awash in campaign contributions from the stake holders in this extremely expensive inefficient patchwork inaccurately dubbed a H.C."system". Now, the Republicans and blue dog dems are suddenly concerned about the deficit?! Where was their concern when they passed the godawful medicare prescription drug bill or the huge tax cuts? Where were the 10 year estimates about the cost of those bills?

    The Republicans are all over the media with criticism. I don't see them pushing any courageous alternative plan. I give kudos to Weyden for taking the issue seriously but most politicians will dance with the ones that brought them to the ball.

    It actually takes libertarians and progressives to see a courageous stance on something that would save piles of money- allowing the reimportation of pharmaceuticals, for example.

    If anything, it is likely that Dems will lose seats if they don't pass a bill. That is what happened after Clinton's failed attempt and that is why Repubs are focused on defeating the bill.

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    Re: No healthcare reform vote before autumn: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    What I understand is that both parties are awash in campaign contributions from the stake holders in this extremely expensive inefficient patchwork inaccurately dubbed a H.C."system". Now, the Republicans and blue dog dems are suddenly concerned about the deficit?! Where was their concern when they passed the godawful medicare prescription drug bill or the huge tax cuts? Where were the 10 year estimates about the cost of those bills?

    The Republicans are all over the media with criticism. I don't see them pushing any courageous alternative plan. I give kudos to Weyden for taking the issue seriously but most politicians will dance with the ones that brought them to the ball.

    It actually takes libertarians and progressives to see a courageous stance on something that would save piles of money- allowing the reimportation of pharmaceuticals, for example.

    If anything, it is likely that Dems will lose seats if they don't pass a bill. That is what happened after Clinton's failed attempt and that is why Repubs are focused on defeating the bill.
    The Republicans are supposedly going to introduce their bill tomorrow. The MSM probably won't mention it though.

    And conservatives, independents, libertarians, and blue-dog dems aren't in favor of Obama's plan, so I don't see how passing it will help Obama. Only the far left is predominantly for it.

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    Re: No healthcare reform vote before autumn: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post

    Only the far left is predominantly for it.
    You gotta be kidding? The progressive wing is ready to bolt because (as I understand it) the blue dogs insist on increasing payments for Docs, removing the public option and decreasing H.C. subsidies to low-income families.

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    Re: No healthcare reform vote before autumn: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    You gotta be kidding? The progressive wing is ready to bolt because (as I understand it) the blue dogs insist on increasing payments for Docs, removing the public option and decreasing H.C. subsidies to low-income families.
    They are, the progressives are choking on the concessions that have been made so far. They are not happy.

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    Re: No healthcare reform vote before autumn: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Regardless of whether this passes or not, and I hope it doesn't personally, time IS a good thing.

    There is absolutely, positively, ZERO reason this thing has to be passed NOW like Obama and his administration were trying to push it except for extremely "politics as usual", partisan, political reasons.

    A bill like this should take a while to work through, and its telling as to the importance not to the country but to the legacy/viability of Barack Obama and the questiaonble content of it that this thing was attempted to be pushed and shoved through at light speed.

    While I disagree as to the importance of the bill, I reluctantly agree that more time is needed and a good thing.

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    Re: No healthcare reform vote before autumn: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    While I disagree as to the importance of the bill, I reluctantly agree that more time is needed and a good thing.
    We will see. I think special interests will take advantage of the time. Health Care Insurers will spend more of our premium money to bribe senators to do it their way so they can protect their bottom line. The American people will have more time to be scared with lies and made fearful of change. Sad really. I think we do need the time to do this, but I wish the Senators would forgo their August recess and work through it in order to keep the momentum going.
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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    Re: No healthcare reform vote before autumn: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The Republicans are supposedly going to introduce their bill tomorrow. The MSM probably won't mention it though.

    And conservatives, independents, libertarians, and blue-dog dems aren't in favor of Obama's plan, so I don't see how passing it will help Obama. Only the far left is predominantly for it.
    I think we are both making the mistake of thinking that FACTS matter to these people; great answer however.

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    Re: No healthcare reform vote before autumn: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    And conservatives, independents, libertarians, and blue-dog dems aren't in favor of Obama's plan, so I don't see how passing it will help Obama. Only the far left is predominantly for it.
    Has it escaped everyone's attention that Dear Leader doesn't even have a plan? He has a wish list, not a plan. He wants "reform", but has no clue what the nuts and bolts of that "reform" should be.

    It is no different than it was with the "stimulus" bill--he wanted "stimulus", but staked out no position on what would actually be stimulative. Instead, he merely took the porkfest conjured up by Queen Nancy and her cadre of Congressional Corruptocrats and waved it in front of everyone as "stimulus" (never mind that economists on the left and the right looked at it and said "no, this is not stimulus").

    Now, Queen Nancy, Henry Taxman, along with her Senate shills Chris Dudd and Kent Conman, are attempting to conjure up another round of reckless raping of the public fisc, and Dear Leader will once again accept it uncritically, touting it as "reform."

    What sort of leadership is that? How can anyone know if what is requested is what is being delivered unless they have some idea of what the deliverables should look like?

    Dear Leader is guilty of a double sin: he seeks greater government control, power, and involvement in the lives of ordinary people, and he cares not a bit about how his corruptocrat companions in Congress get it for him.

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    Re: No healthcare reform vote before autumn: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    The American people will have more time to be scared with lies and made fearful of change.
    Fascinating; the American people are being bombarded daily with lies from Democrats about this and many more issues which is why we are currently in a $1.8 trillion deficit and will be spending well beyond $100 million per day on servicing the nations debt.

    The tactics of fear are the only reason so much of this porculus spending has gone on and only now Americans are coming to the realization that they were filled with fear mongering BS about saving the economy and stunned at the fact that now someone will have to pay the bill.

    How high do you think taxes will need to be raised to pay for all this, and with the understanding that not ONE single job has been created since Obama came into office?

    These same Liberals who railed daily how bad the economy was under Bush and how outrageous it was he spent us into a $200 billion deficit, had a mere 4.7% unemployment rate and GDP growth in the 3-4% range now blather that the loss of jobs at the rate of 500,000 per month, negative GDP growth and spending us into a vast deficit hole of $1.8 trillion now suddenly makes perfect sense.

    Folks, you just cannot fabricate the level of stupidity it takes for these people to make such arguments and think that a majority of Americans are too stupid to figure this out and NOT like what they are hearing or seeing.

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    Re: No healthcare reform vote before autumn: Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Has it escaped everyone's attention that Dear Leader doesn't even have a plan? He has a wish list, not a plan. He wants "reform", but has no clue what the nuts and bolts of that "reform" should be.

    It is no different than it was with the "stimulus" bill--he wanted "stimulus", but staked out no position on what would actually be stimulative. Instead, he merely took the porkfest conjured up by Queen Nancy and her cadre of Congressional Corruptocrats and waved it in front of everyone as "stimulus" (never mind that economists on the left and the right looked at it and said "no, this is not stimulus").

    Now, Queen Nancy, Henry Taxman, along with her Senate shills Chris Dudd and Kent Conman, are attempting to conjure up another round of reckless raping of the public fisc, and Dear Leader will once again accept it uncritically, touting it as "reform."

    What sort of leadership is that? How can anyone know if what is requested is what is being delivered unless they have some idea of what the deliverables should look like?

    Dear Leader is guilty of a double sin: he seeks greater government control, power, and involvement in the lives of ordinary people, and he cares not a bit about how his corruptocrat companions in Congress get it for him.
    Great point; you would be correct. He basically knows what he wants when he sees it; which should stun Americans even more than them spending us into a $1.8 trillion hole without a single tangible result to point at should.

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