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    Re: Drive to legalize marijuana rolls on in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyo View Post
    Well, it makes sense to let one state try it out. Then, if it works the anti-drug folks wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
    They don't have a leg to stand on now. It hasn't stopped them from interfering.

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    Re: Drive to legalize marijuana rolls on in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    They don't have a leg to stand on now. It hasn't stopped them from interfering.
    Exactly the point!
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    Re: Drive to legalize marijuana rolls on in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    WTF are you talking about? Are you high now? The federal government grabs power all the time, when did I ever say it didn't? How does that do anything to counter what I said? Wow.
    Calm yourself. You said that the government "rarely" gives up power, or something to that effect. If it "rarely" does it, then they sometimes do it. Or did you misspeak, and said "rarely" when you meant to say "never"?


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    Durrr, see the Republocrats
    Ohmygosh?! Really? Yeah, i'm the one that's high.


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    Well if you're done being condescending.
    You're the one being condescending by not paying attention to the very words you write and at least trying to be consistent. Don't blame me for your mistakes.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    While the States may wish to legalize in total marijuana so that they can sell and tax it (and I think it's up to the State's to decide for themselves what they want, I think the War on Drugs is nothing more than a propaganda war meant to justify the expansion of the federal government, but as we have already established once the federal government seizes power, it rarely gives it back),
    You said that they do it, albeit rarely. I'm saying that this is one of those rarities.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    those laws will be at odds with the federal laws and agencies, notably the DEA. While Obama said he would halt the raids against medical marijuana, it's already been said that they will not stop for marijuana in general. So a State can say, "we're not going to enforce this, in fact we're going to legalize and tax it" and the federal government will say "think again!". Because the federal government has already usurped that power long ago and will be very unwilling to yield it back.
    Sorry, Ikari, your say so is just not good enough for me, no matter how many times you repeat it as if it is proven fact.

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    Re: Drive to legalize marijuana rolls on in California

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How's that going to hurt the cartels? They're already smuggling drugs that are illegal. What's a little tax evasion to them? The illegal cigarette and liquir businesses are multi-million dollar industries in this country.
    As much as 70% of cartel revenues is from marijuana. they may very well try to continue, however their profit margin will be undercut, their market will be undercut, and what was a multi-BILLION dollar is now merely a multi-million dollar enterprise. There is a huge difference between billions and millions.

    Why would anyone buy their poor quality smuggled shwag, or their seed laden product from a domestic grow, when one can legally buy superior product at the corner store?

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    Re: Drive to legalize marijuana rolls on in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The government rarely gives up power once it's seized it. History is full of the abuses and natural paths of government. I know this because I pay attention to the world around me.
    See what you typed?

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    Re: Drive to legalize marijuana rolls on in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Sammyo View Post
    See what you typed?
    Are you done? They do rarely give it up, and this isn't one of those cases. It's already been stated that while they will currently not go after medical marijuana, they aren't going to stop prosecuting the full of it. The federal government will overrule the State here, they've said so. California can look into getting rid of laws against it, but the DEA will not stop investigations and arrests. Sorry, you're the one who isn't reading what is there. You can stop with the condescension and just read. It's not "I say so", it's "the federal government already said so".

    Drug czar: Feds won't support legalized pot - Local - fresnobee.com
    The federal government is not going to pull back on its efforts to curtail marijuana farming operations, Gil Kerlikowske, director of the White House's Office of National Drug Control Policy, said Wednesday in Fresno.

    The nation's drug czar, who viewed a foothill marijuana farm on U.S. Forest Service land with state and local officials earlier Wednesday, said the federal government will not support legalizing marijuana.

    "Legalization is not in the president's vocabulary, and it's not in mine," he said.

    Kerlikowske said he can understand why legislators are talking about taxing marijuana cultivation to help cash-strapped government agencies in California. But the federal government views marijuana as a harmful and addictive drug, he said.

    "Marijuana is dangerous and has no medicinal benefit," Kerlikowske said in downtown Fresno while discussing Operation SOS -- Save Our Sierra -- a multiagency effort to eradicate marijuana in eastern Fresno County.
    Jesus Christ.
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    Re: Drive to legalize marijuana rolls on in California

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    As much as 70% of cartel revenues is from marijuana. they may very well try to continue, however their profit margin will be undercut, their market will be undercut, and what was a multi-BILLION dollar is now merely a multi-million dollar enterprise. There is a huge difference between billions and millions.

    Why would anyone buy their poor quality smuggled shwag, or their seed laden product from a domestic grow, when one can legally buy superior product at the corner store?
    Because the government will get greedy and merely try to replace the black marketeer, keeping the retail price almost as high as it's current ridiculous cost. And this idiocy will provide the niche for the black market to survive.

    However, once the subtance is no longer a crime to grow, it's going to get harder to prosecute people for growing friggin' weeds. Once the door is unlocked and cracked open, it's a matter of time before it's pushed open and government influence is reduced by popular demand.

    Alcohol prohibition did end because of public pressure, don't forget.

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    Re: Drive to legalize marijuana rolls on in California

    Sammyo, unfortunately we are bound by treaties which we force fed to the international community that would be rather difficult to wiggle our way out of.

    Full federal legalization is likely not going to happen with marijuana maintaining its current international scheduling, (this is why Portugal decriminalized drugs as opposed to legalizing them).

    Should Ca and other states legalize MJ there are a lot of legal battles and constitutional issues that would need to be sorted out, especially in regards to the 10th amendment.

    Our States are not bound to abide by the treaties; however our federal government is.

    How this plays out is contingent on the international community reexamining the current treaties, and their efficacy, or rescheduling marijuana. There is already a call to do reevaluate these treaties, especially among Central and South American nations; however our government still disagrees.

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    Re: Drive to legalize marijuana rolls on in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    "Marijuana is dangerous and has no medicinal benefit," Kerlikowske said in downtown Fresno while discussing Operation SOS -- Save Our Sierra -- a multiagency effort to eradicate marijuana in eastern Fresno County.
    Buncha boobs.

    The best way and the easiest way to get illegal marijuana farms out of the federal forests is to end the criminalization of weed growing. Damn few people want to go through the hassle of sneaking out to illegally grow weeds on federal land if they could only grow the stuff on their own land without getting arrested by the cops.

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    Re: Drive to legalize marijuana rolls on in California

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Buncha boobs.

    The best way and the easiest way to get illegal marijuana farms out of the federal forests is to end the criminalization of weed growing. Damn few people want to go through the hassle of sneaking out to illegally grow weeds on federal land if they could only grow the stuff on their own land without getting arrested by the cops.
    Yup, pot is one drug which has no point in being illegal. But it's historical and you're going to have a damned tough fight getting the federal government to give this one up.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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