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    SPIN METER: 'Help Wanted' counting stimulus jobs

    SPIN METER: 'Help Wanted' counting stimulus jobs


    PORTLAND, Ore. How much are politicians straining to convince people that the government is stimulating the economy? In Oregon, where lawmakers are spending $176 million to supplement the federal stimulus, Democrats are taking credit for a remarkable feat: creating 3,236 new jobs in the program's first three months.

    But those jobs lasted on average only 35 hours, or about one work week. After that, those workers were effectively back unemployed, according to an Associated Press analysis of state spending and hiring data. By the state's accounting, a job is a job, whether it lasts three hours, three days, three months, or a lifetime.

    "Sometimes some work for an individual is better than no work," said Oregon's Senate president, Peter Courtney.


    Now isn't this not suprising. Tell me should this be counted as "stimulous"? I mean technically they worked 35 hours longer than before no? This spin meistering is all going to come crashing down.... Pucker up!
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    Re: SPIN METER: 'Help Wanted' counting stimulus jobs

    It's completely misleading, but unless this way of counting jobs is new, it doesn't make much of a difference. If current job numbers are misleading in the same way that all job numbers that have ever existed are misleading, that's not news at all.

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    Re: SPIN METER: 'Help Wanted' counting stimulus jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    It's completely misleading, but unless this way of counting jobs is new, it doesn't make much of a difference. If current job numbers are misleading in the same way that all job numbers that have ever existed are misleading, that's not news at all.
    So, I take it that you don't believe that the Rahm-Bama spin machine is redefining what constitues a job to make the unstimulating stimulus package look good. You are very naive if you don't see through this crap.
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    Re: SPIN METER: 'Help Wanted' counting stimulus jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by rebelbuc View Post
    So, I take it that you don't believe that the Rahm-Bama spin machine is redefining what constitues a job to make the unstimulating stimulus package look good. You are very naive if you don't see through this crap.
    What does the word "if" mean to you? He stated that the numbers were misleading, with the added statement that overall job numbers are misleading, another true statement.

    Where do Rahm and Obama come into it anyway? This was all done by the lawmakers of Oregon on a state level.
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    Re: SPIN METER: 'Help Wanted' counting stimulus jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by rebelbuc View Post
    So, I take it that you don't believe that the Rahm-Bama spin machine is redefining what constitues a job to make the unstimulating stimulus package look good. You are very naive if you don't see through this crap.
    What does this have to do with Obama? The article states that the job count is based on state law, and that state law is unlikely to have changed since Obama took office. The numbers are misleading, but they've been misleading since Bush was in office, since Clinton was in office, etc etc etc. There is certainly something to criticize in this state's job counting methods, but this does not provide an effective criticism of the stimulus bill

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    Re: SPIN METER: 'Help Wanted' counting stimulus jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by rebelbuc View Post
    So, I take it that you don't believe that the Rahm-Bama spin machine is redefining what constitues a job to make the unstimulating stimulus package look good. You are very naive if you don't see through this crap.
    Actually it's Oregon officials doing the spinning here.

    From the OP link:

    Oregon's accounting practices would not be allowed as part of the $787 billion federal stimulus. While the White House has made the unverifiable promise that 3.5 million jobs will be saved or created by the end of next year, when accountants actually begin taking head counts this fall, there are rules intended to guard against exactly what Oregon is doing.

    The White House requires states to report numbers in terms of full-time, yearlong jobs. That means a part-time mechanic counts as half a job. A full-time construction worker who has a three-month paving contract counts as one-fourth of a job.
    It's got nothing to do with Obama.

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    Re: SPIN METER: 'Help Wanted' counting stimulus jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Now isn't this not suprising. Tell me should this be counted as "stimulous"? I mean technically they worked 35 hours longer than before no? This spin meistering is all going to come crashing down.... Pucker up!
    please forgive me, sir, for so STUPIDLY stealing your thunder by DUPLICATING your piece

    i'm totally NEWB, and it shows

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    Re: SPIN METER: 'Help Wanted' counting stimulus jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    please forgive me, sir, for so STUPIDLY stealing your thunder by DUPLICATING your piece

    i'm totally NEWB, and it shows

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    Re: SPIN METER: 'Help Wanted' counting stimulus jobs

    Yeah with all these 35 hours a week jobs around, you would think the trillions BO spent would be working by now.

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    Re: SPIN METER: 'Help Wanted' counting stimulus jobs

    "Sometimes some work for an individual is better than no work," said Oregon's Senate president, Peter Courtney.
    That quote right there, from the OP's link, is what bothers me as much as the whole "spin-meistering" does. That was just a heartless statement on Courtney's part. Granted there is a small grain of truth to it, but people are depending on these jobs. It's not right to give someone a job, then take it away 35 hours later. It's like letting a dog sit down, beg and sniff a cookie 35 times, then not letting him eat it. It's those sad puppy eyes, man. Can't help but feel sympathy.

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