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    Re: Texas investigators stunned by child dismemberment

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Unlike you, I believe people have the right to make the decision to end their lives at will. If the person is mentally ill (as is the case in this situation) I don't believe that necessarily negates that right, any more than it would negate a woman's right to abortion. it's the same sort of thing: a bodily sovereignty issue (as in, "Who owns your body? You, or the state?).

    We must ask ourselves whether it's probable that the mentally ill person is being reasonable in this instance (in wishing to end her life), even though she may not have been reasonable in other instances.

    I think if we ask ourselves objectively if we would want to end our lives in her position (having dismembered and partially eaten our children), then we will have our answer as to whether or not she's making a reasonable decision.
    Unlike you, I'm not comfortable with the idea of being "rid of her" as a solution to the problem of the mentally ill.

    Your use of compassionate words in offering her a "choice" of suicide would have more credibility if you weren't so eager to just "be rid of her."

    The more intellectually honest position for you would be to advocate capital punishment--if you are so eager to be rid of the mentally ill, you should at least be willing to exterminate them yourself, not ask them to spare you that burden.

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    Re: Texas investigators stunned by child dismemberment

    I have more sympathy for this woman then I do most other stories of women tossing babes in dumpsters or attempting to jam 'em down the toilet. This particular story is heinous and features a brain eating cannibal but still I feel just horrible for this woman and what she now has to live with if they ever get her meds right. I can't even imagine what it must be like to not have control over one's thoughts and senses. To have your mind betray you and alter reality and then the nightmare really begins when you snap out of it. What a cruel state of being. I hope there is mercy for this poor soul somehow someway.

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    Re: Texas investigators stunned by child dismemberment

    This is a great example of why sterility/abortions should be forced on segments of society.

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    Re: Texas investigators stunned by child dismemberment

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    This is a great example of why sterility/abortions should be forced on segments of society.
    Oh wonderful, another defender of Buck v Bell.

    What other eugenics canards are you planning to trundle out here?

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    Re: Texas investigators stunned by child dismemberment

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    Oh wonderful, another defender of Buck v Bell.

    What other eugenics canards are you planning to trundle out here?
    In this case... absolutely.

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    Re: Texas investigators stunned by child dismemberment

    I don't believe in forced abortion or sterilization for the diagnosed mentally ill; I do believe their children should be removed from their custody at birth, and perhaps they should be allowed supervised visitation, if it isn't harmful to the child.
    My mother was schizophrenic also; in my case, she fortunately removed herself from the situation before she had to resort to eating my brain or anything similarly grotesque. I'm really glad she did remove herself, although to my knowledge she wasn't physically violent and might never have hurt me. I just don't think it is healthy for a child to grow up in close, unsupervised proximity to a person who suffers from serious mental illness.

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    Re: Texas investigators stunned by child dismemberment

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I don't believe in forced abortion or sterilization for the diagnosed mentally ill; I do believe their children should be removed from their custody at birth, and perhaps they should be allowed supervised visitation, if it isn't harmful to the child.
    Certainly, it would not be out of bounds to monitor schizophrenic parents closely, to make sure they are compliant with their medication regimens, and that the medication regimens are working.

    I'm reluctant to say that arbitrarily taking children away from mentally ill parents is a good idea--that strikes me as a level of government power too easily abused or misused.

    One thing this case demonstrates absolutely: how we attend to the needs of the seriously mentally ill sucks.

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    Re: Texas investigators stunned by child dismemberment

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Certainly, it would not be out of bounds to monitor schizophrenic parents closely, to make sure they are compliant with their medication regimens, and that the medication regimens are working.

    I'm reluctant to say that arbitrarily taking children away from mentally ill parents is a good idea--that strikes me as a level of government power too easily abused or misused.

    One thing this case demonstrates absolutely: how we attend to the needs of the seriously mentally ill sucks.
    Yeah, a lot of them have fallen through the cracks since the civil rights movement. I believe laws protecting the rights of the mentally ill that were enacted during the 60s and 70s were well-intentioned, but in some cases it leaves them without the care and supervision they need. Mentally ill people can't always be trusted to take their medication, for instance, and some of them really need in-patient treatment. It's very difficult to have a mentally ill adult locked up involuntarily these days, beyond just a 72-hour evaluation period, unless they've committed some sort of crime.

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    Re: Texas investigators stunned by child dismemberment

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I don't believe in forced abortion or sterilization for the diagnosed mentally ill; I do believe their children should be removed from their custody at birth, and perhaps they should be allowed supervised visitation, if it isn't harmful to the child.
    My mother was schizophrenic also; in my case, she fortunately removed herself from the situation before she had to resort to eating my brain or anything similarly grotesque. I'm really glad she did remove herself, although to my knowledge she wasn't physically violent and might never have hurt me. I just don't think it is healthy for a child to grow up in close, unsupervised proximity to a person who suffers from serious mental illness.
    Can I ask what you mean by "serious mental illness"? Just schizophrenia and psychosis, or including disorders like PTSD and bipolar disorder? I think a fact pertinent to this discussion is that absent schizophrenics and those suffering a complete psychotic break, the mentally ill are no more likely to commit violent crimes than the general population.
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    Re: Texas investigators stunned by child dismemberment

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Certainly, it would not be out of bounds to monitor schizophrenic parents closely, to make sure they are compliant with their medication regimens, and that the medication regimens are working.

    I'm reluctant to say that arbitrarily taking children away from mentally ill parents is a good idea--that strikes me as a level of government power too easily abused or misused.

    One thing this case demonstrates absolutely: how we attend to the needs of the seriously mentally ill sucks.
    Agreed, completely. If one is in fact to ill to care for their children, then I'm all for foster services stepping in while attempts are made to assist the mother back to health (if possible), but this should be a decision made on a case by case basis, not a blanket policy.
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