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    Re: Texas investigators stunned by child dismemberment

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    This is interesting:

    "A recording of the 911 call, which was released before noon Wednesday, confirmed Sanchez claimed she was hearing voices the night of the slaying. It also revealed Sanchez attempted to reach out for help, taking the baby to Garcia, who identifies herself as Sanchez's sister.

    “She's gone crazy last night,” Garcia told dispatchers in the early Sunday morning call. “She was hearing voices and she kept bringing me the baby and finally she calmed down and I took her back the baby, and then now I just woke up to hear screaming.”

    Garcia and Sanchez's mother, who were both in the home at the time, have declined to comment. Garcia's brother, Greg, told reporters Wednesday that the family remained in shock.

    “I still can't believe it happened,” he said. “It feels like I'm trapped in a nightmare.”

    The family announced Wednesday they plan on moving out of the house."


    Mother in 911 call: ?He told me to do it'

    It appears that despite being in the grip of a full-blown psychotic episode, Sanchez tried to prevent what occurred.
    IMO, Garcia should face charges.
    But perhaps she didn't fully understand the situation.
    Damn.

    There are no words that adequately convey the sheer magnitude of the tragedy here, or any similar case for that matter




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    Re: Texas investigators stunned by child dismemberment

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    We kill mad dogs.


    This woman needs to be removed from society and the gene pool. I don't care if it was post-partum depression or too many Red Bulls.
    Pretty much my thought. If a parent is so ****ed up in the head that she kills her own child, she is too broken to live. She has violated the most sacred trust we have as humans and deserves no better than a bullet to the head.

    As a parent, this sort of **** makes me physically ill. I wish they would execute her the same day she's found guilty and let the carrion dispose of her body.

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    Re: Texas investigators stunned by child dismemberment

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    This is interesting:

    "A recording of the 911 call, which was released before noon Wednesday, confirmed Sanchez claimed she was hearing voices the night of the slaying. It also revealed Sanchez attempted to reach out for help, taking the baby to Garcia, who identifies herself as Sanchez's sister.

    “She's gone crazy last night,” Garcia told dispatchers in the early Sunday morning call. “She was hearing voices and she kept bringing me the baby and finally she calmed down and I took her back the baby, and then now I just woke up to hear screaming.”

    Garcia and Sanchez's mother, who were both in the home at the time, have declined to comment. Garcia's brother, Greg, told reporters Wednesday that the family remained in shock.

    “I still can't believe it happened,” he said. “It feels like I'm trapped in a nightmare.”

    The family announced Wednesday they plan on moving out of the house."


    Mother in 911 call: ?He told me to do it'

    It appears that despite being in the grip of a full-blown psychotic episode, Sanchez tried to prevent what occurred.
    IMO, Garcia should face charges.
    But perhaps she didn't fully understand the situation.
    It does, but why did the sister take the child back to his mother? Maybe she didn't understand what hearing voices means (a psychosis/psychotic break). I would have taken her to a hospital right away and not given her baby back to her.

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    Re: Texas investigators stunned by child dismemberment

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    We kill mad dogs.


    This woman needs to be removed from society and the gene pool. I don't care if it was post-partum depression or too many Red Bulls.
    It's tragic, but what the Hell else can you do for her?

    You're either going to end up killing her or keeping her in a cage forever. And even if you could treat her, even if you could make her well and allow her to rejoin society... what kind of mercy is that, when she'll still have to live with what she's done? You would be saving her life, when the only rational choice on her part would be to end it.

    There are no good choices here. Killing her is merely the least terrible.

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    Re: Texas investigators stunned by child dismemberment

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Pretty much my thought. If a parent is so ****ed up in the head that she kills her own child, she is too broken to live. She has violated the most sacred trust we have as humans and deserves no better than a bullet to the head.

    As a parent, this sort of **** makes me physically ill. I wish they would execute her the same day she's found guilty and let the carrion dispose of her body.
    Why the disgrace? She was out of her mind, and knowing she was out of her mind tried to have someone else care for her baby. She was immediately horrified with remorse at what she had done, and would not have harmed the child if she had any control over herself or any choice in the matter.

    You wouldn't beat a rabid dog. Why would you shame and punish this woman?

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    Re: Texas investigators stunned by child dismemberment

    I hate humans.

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    Re: Texas investigators stunned by child dismemberment

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    It does, but why did the sister take the child back to his mother? Maybe she didn't understand what hearing voices means (a psychosis/psychotic break). I would have taken her to a hospital right away and not given her baby back to her.
    Not fully grasping the seriousness of the situation and denial are two very strong possibilities. Ms. Sanchez had been diagnosed with schizophrenia the previous year, but no one knows yet how involved her family was in the oversight of her treatment plan. Also, it's unclear at this time what, if any, patient teaching Ms. Sanchez or her family received regarding her increased risk of developing postpartum psychosis or the absolute necessity of strict adherence to her medication regimen to control her illness.

    Russell Yates received widespread criticism and blame for not preventing the death of his children as well.
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    Re: Texas investigators stunned by child dismemberment

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    It's tragic, but what the Hell else can you do for her?

    You're either going to end up killing her or keeping her in a cage forever. And even if you could treat her, even if you could make her well and allow her to rejoin society... what kind of mercy is that, when she'll still have to live with what she's done? You would be saving her life, when the only rational choice on her part would be to end it.

    There are no good choices here. Killing her is merely the least terrible.
    This has changed my stance on the death penalty. I'm still very much against it as a general method of punishment, but in extreme instances like this I think it is completely warranted. This woman ate her own child alive and there is no question of guilt, she does not need to live anymore. I wouldn’t even call it the death “penalty”, more like a painless release from hell…

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    Re: Texas investigators stunned by child dismemberment

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    It's tragic, but what the Hell else can you do for her?

    You're either going to end up killing her or keeping her in a cage forever. And even if you could treat her, even if you could make her well and allow her to rejoin society... what kind of mercy is that, when she'll still have to live with what she's done? You would be saving her life, when the only rational choice on her part would be to end it.

    There are no good choices here. Killing her is merely the least terrible.

    This is a lose - lose situation no matter how you look at it. It's saddening to hear killing someone is the least terrible of all choices. Yet I can't think of a good alternative.

    There are evil people out there who deserve slow painful deaths, but I don't think anyone here would accuse this woman of being one. The child is beyond help so the question is do we help or do we punish the mother?

    The main reason for punishment in society is to deter similar crimes. Let's face it, for someone in this mental state, that's not a factor. Any punishment here would be vengeance for this outrage. If she ever comes to a point where can comprehend what she has done, that will be more punishment than we could ever inflict.

    As for helping her....... We don't have the technology. We can not rebuild her.

    So we have a moral quandary with no good answer. The best we can do is remove her from society so she can not hurt others. ... Hurry up and close the barn door. The horses have gotten out.
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    Re: Texas investigators stunned by child dismemberment

    I don't believe in the deterrent power of punishment and as far as I have seen, social science doesn't bear it out. As far as I'm concerned, there are only two valid reactions to crime: euthanasia and rehabilitation. The main criterion in deciding between the two should be whether rehabilitation and release back into society is worth the time, effort, and risk that it involves.

    I would be willing to guess that we actually can rehabilitate this woman for the organic brain disorder which forced her to brutally kill her child. It would, in fact, be easier than attempting to treat the majority of habitual and career criminals. The question is whether or not we're capable of treating her for the terrible grief and horror at her own actions, and for the terrible social isolation that comes from being known as a child-killer. And that... I do not think there is any treatment for.

    Legally, she can not be held accountable for the death of her child. And that is a shame, because all of the legal options at our disposal for handling criminal insanity seem to me to be acts of unspeakable cruelty in this case.

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