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Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

CaptainCourtesy said:
So, to be consistent in the analogy, you hold ALL Christians responsible for this Neo-Nazi jerk, correct? If you are a Christian, that means you are responsible for his behavior. See what I mean?
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I'm not saying that Muslims are responsible for what the terrorists are doing. What I'm saying, is that they can't just turn a blind eye to it, all the while expecting everyone to buy into the, "they're not really Muslims", bill of goods. The terrorists are the Muslims's problem the same way that Hitler was Germany's problem; Mussolini was Italy's problem; the Bushoists were Japan's problem and so on. The terrorists are--justified or not--made into the poster boys for modern Islam. If the rest of the Muslim community doesn't want to be lumped in with them, then they should get out there and do something besides make excuses.





Red_Dave said:
Wtf? The Afgans have been fighting the taliban since the mid 90s:doh and the situations pretty similar in Pakistan. I love the way your certain muslims arent offering intel on terroist groups because you dont "see" it when by its very nature this kind of thing is pretty low key:lol:. Just like you dont "see" reasonable recruitment rates for the army in these countries despite the fact you have made no effort to educate yourself as to what they are. Your assumptions here are based on nothing other than your own ignorance and bigotry.

Though it has to be said that we,ve seen a number of attempted terroist attacks on both sides of the pond foiled due to tip offs. Where do you belive these tip offs are coming from?
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Got any links to support what you're saying? Sure, there have been a few Muslims fighting the extremists, but not nearly enough. Why are all the other Muslims doing nothing but sitting on their thumbs making excuses? Why not get involved? Why does it seem that there are more Muslims that support, or at least condone terrorism than there are that get out there and kick some ass?
 
apdst said:
Got any links to support what you're saying? Sure, there have been a few Muslims fighting the extremists, but not nearly enough. Why are all the other Muslims doing nothing but sitting on their thumbs making excuses? Why not get involved? Why does it seem that there are more Muslims that support, or at least condone terrorism than there are that get out there and kick some ass?
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Tell me what needs backing up and il provide a link. Put it this way. What specific actions should muslims be taking that they are not? if you mean kicking ass militarily isnt that kinda what the army is for? [and what the northern alliance was for]
 
Red_Dave said:
Tell me what needs backing up and il provide a link. Put it this way. What specific actions should muslims be taking that they are not? if you mean kicking ass militarily isnt that kinda what the army is for? [and what the northern alliance was for]
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Post a link to support that comments, or admit that it's just your opinion and based on the actual facts, you're wrong.
 
apdst said:
Post a link to support that comments, or admit that it's just your opinion and based on the actual facts, you're wrong.
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Well your the one thats *certain* recruitment rates in these countries are so low why dont you post links? Again what exactly do you want these links to prove?

That the northern alliances has been fighting the taliban since the mid 90s?

That intelligence gathering is typically low key?:doh

Or that terroist attacks have been foiled due to tip offs?

And again please specify what actions civillian muslims should be taking?

That kicking ass militarily is generally the job of the military?

I certainly dont need a link to prove you,ve complained about low recruitment rates despite not educating yourself as to what they are. If all else fails I can just link to this thread:mrgreen:
 
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Red_Dave said:
Well your the one thats *certain* recruitment rates in these countries are so low why dont you post links? Again what exactly do you want these links to prove?

That the northern alliances has been fighting the taliban since the mid 90s?

That intelligence gathering is typically low key?:doh

Or that terroist attacks have been foiled due to tip offs?

And again please specify what actions civillian muslims should be taking?

I certainly dont need a link to prove you,ve complained about low recruitment rates despite not educating yourself as to what they are. If all else fails I can just link to this thread:mrgreen:
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I can't prove a negative. However, if you're so certain that I'm wrong, it should be a piece of cake to post information proving so. But, we all know you can't. Right?
 
apdst said:
I can't prove a negative. However, if you're so certain that I'm wrong, it should be a piece of cake to post information proving so. But, we all know you can't. Right?
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You can post the stats regarding the recruitment rate, and you can tell what actions muslims should be taking. Specify what information you want and, as god is my witness, i will provide it.
 
Red_Dave said:
You can post the stats. Specify what information you want and, as god is my witness, i will provide it.
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Post information proving your point of view viz-a-viz proving me wrong. I think your dodging is making you quite immature. It shouldn't be hard to blow me out of the water. Or, is it?
 
apdst said:
Post information proving your point of view viz-a-viz proving me wrong. I think your dodging is making you quite immature. It shouldn't be hard to blow me out of the water. Or, is it?
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:shock:What? Im merely asking you to tell me which point in particular needs backing up. I made quite a few. Tell me, and i promise you il find a source
 
Ok, this is a waste of time. Thanks anyway.
 
You're the one that can't back up your comments. It's you, sir, that's in the corner.
 
apdst said:
You're the one that can't back up your comments. It's you, sir, that's in the corner.
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Specify the comments and i will. I even wrote out a list to help you!
 
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Red_Dave said:
Specify the comments and i will. I even wrote out a list to help you!
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If I have to do that, it's obvious that you can't back them up. have a nice day.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Define devout.
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In my opinion, a devout Muslim is any Muslim who is devoted to Islam, its duties, and its exercise there of. Thus, since the ulema of all 4 major schools of Islamic jurisprudence, which encompasses the entirety of Islam and all its various branches and divisions, unanimously agree on the universality of the Islamic obligation to make the world sovereign for Allah via the imposition of Islamic Sharia law, then that Muslim is a devout and pious Muslim.

As a matter of fact, any Muslim who openly says that he or she does not accept the universal mission to make Islam supreme in the world would be considered an apostate in the majority of the Islamic world and would face as a result possible death if they did not repent.

By the way, please define "moderate Muslim" and whether or not a Muslim can be both a moderate and a devoted Muslim at the same time and how?
 
Laila said:
Nice story but that does not refute my point
I can assume alot of things but you have no evidence.

Suicide is forbidden in the Qu'ran. End of. There is no debating what is in the Qu'ran

Whoever purposely throws himself from a mountain and kills himself, will be in the (Hell) Fire falling down into it and abiding therein perpetually forever; and whoever drinks poison and kills himself with it, he will be carrying his poison in his hand and drinking it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever; and whoever kills himself with an iron weapon, will be carrying that weapon in his hand and stabbing his abdomen with it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever

My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him

No wiggle room here. No if or buts. SUICIDE IS FORBIDDEN.
Find a Priest crazy enough and he can also sanction murder, does not mean the religion itself teaches it.
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This is THEE Most common of the Muslim 'definitional' snowjobs.

The Koran is very contradictory and not only IS there "Wiggle Room", but there is specific Sanction of one kind of Suicide.
Suicide Bombing (or other death) in the Cause of Islam.... "Martyrdom".

There is Nothing so Glorious in Islam in and indeed NOTHING else get's you and yours an Instant ticket to heaven.

So yes, jumping out the window from despair is forbidden, But it's Disingenuous and intentionally DECEIVING to say the acts We know as "suicide bombings" (homicide bombings, in which only 1 muslim, but 30 infidels are killed) are mere 'suicides' and are not allowed.
They are 'Martyrdoms' and CELEBRATED by Muslims.
Half the streets in Gaza named after people who committed "suicide"?

NO. It's called "Martyrdom" and Laila just tried to Snow you.
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