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Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

Laila said:
Oh my.
And my question comes.
I need to make a tally on how many times i have asked this question, really. It must be dozens by now.

What do you expect Moderate Muslims to do?
I am not about to don a hat and gun and go fighting.
If the United States and UK cannot destroy the extremists, how do you suggest Muslims with no military experience achieve this goal?
I believe i am doing a good enough job - same with thousands of other Muslims by ensuring no one inside my community or family turn to extremism, actively helping the police

I refuse to be held responsible for the actions of these barbaric idiots just because they share the same religion as me. It is hardly fair on me to be held responsible for the actions of another person
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I think what's off putting for some is that there is very little decrying of the actions of terrorists from the rest of the Muslim community, which I think is what apdst is trying to get at. No one is asking the rest of the Muslim groups to take care of terrorism, but I think what's wanted by many is to see some overall outrage at the terrorists activities. Christian groups for the most part decry violence perpetrated in their name. Someone blows up an abortion clinic and the leaders of churches and Christian groups come out and say while they don't like abortion, they do not condone violent actions taken against others. Things of that nature. But there seems to be a lot of silence when it comes to terrorism. You don't see leaders decrying these actions, saying that this isn't what Islam teaches (and as I understand it, the most open and understanding religion should be Islam because doesn't it recognize other religious paths as valid?) and that the violence against others is wrong and using it as a way to promote or practice the religion is a perversion of the religion itself.

I think a lot more people would be well more comfortable if they heard messages like that coming from the Muslim community as a whole, and from its leaders as well.
 
Laila said:
What do you expect Moderate Muslims to do?
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Going online and explaining your views like you do is a good place to start.

Sure, not all people will ever be able to distinguish your views from those of others, but for those open minded enough to pay attention, I would think the more voices like yours, the better.
 
Gardener said:
Going online and explaining your views like you do is a good place to start.

Sure, not all people will ever be able to distinguish your views from those of others, but for those open minded enough to pay attention, I would think the more voices like yours, the better.
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I think the moderates don't the mass media attention that the radicals do.
 
winston53660 said:
I think the moderates don't the mass media attention that the radicals do.
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Very rarely are moderate muslims invited onto shows in UK when a attack happens or generally when Islam is the topic of discussion.
They prefer the nuts like Anjem Choudry (i hate this man) who wants to behead everyone and stone women

BBC does a good job with shows like these where a moderate muslim does argue against the islamist.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAKRvBe_-EA&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube - The Big Questions: Is Islam an intolerant religion? (Part 1 of 2)[/ame]
 
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Laila said:
:shock:

Did he die if he were bleeding?
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He wasn't bleeding that bad. Not that I care, or anything.


Laila said:
Yes the cartoon protests were stupid but to think that Muslims do not condemn and are not outraged by terrorism is simply false.
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But, at the end of the day, it's just lip service. I mean, why is it that the US has to win the hearts and minds of the Muslims when--as you make it sound--that the US and the Muslims have a common enemy?

winston53660 said:
I think the moderates don't the mass media attention that the radicals do.
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The moderates would get some media attention if they went on a killing spree and killed a few thousand radicals, vice killing some dude over a cartoon. Don't you think?
 
apdst said:
He wasn't bleeding that bad. Not that I care, or anything.

But, at the end of the day, it's just lip service. I mean, why is it that the US has to win the hearts and minds of the Muslims when--as you make it sound--that the US and the Muslims have a common enemy?
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You can never win a war in ME without winning the hearts and minds of the citizens or masses.
 
apdst said:
The moderates would get some media attention if they went on a killing spree and killed a few thousand radicals, vice killing some dude over a cartoon. Don't you think?
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Well then they wouldn't be moderates would they? When staring into the abyss the abyss stares back at you.
 
apdst said:
He wasn't bleeding that bad. Not that I care, or anything.




But, at the end of the day, it's just lip service. I mean, why is it that the US has to win the hearts and minds of the Muslims when--as you make it sound--that the US and the Muslims have a common enemy?



The moderates would get some media attention if they went on a killing spree and killed a few thousand radicals, vice killing some dude over a cartoon. Don't you think?
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Moderate muslims are already killing radicals in Afganistan, Iraq and Pakistan.
 
Laila said:
You can never win a war in ME without winning the hearts and minds of the citizens or masses.
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Why aren't they already on out side, if we're coming to kill the terrorists? That's one the two things that don't make a lick-a-sense.


Red_Dave said:
Moderate muslims are already killing radicals in Afganistan, Iraq and Pakistan.
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A few, yes. All government troops and police. Why aren't Muslim men flocking to the military in droves to destroy the biggest threat to the religion in history?

The terrorists seem to be getting a helluva lot of support from the locals, so I'm not all that convinced that Muslims are really interested in killing terrorists.
 
apdst said:
A few, yes. All government troops and police. Why aren't Muslim men flocking to the military in droves to destroy the biggest threat to the religion in history?

The terrorists seem to be getting a helluva lot of support from the locals, so I'm not all that convinced that Muslims are really interested in killing terrorists.
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You belive the recruitment rate is inadequate?
 
apdst said:
I'm not impressed the rate of young Muslim men volunteering to fight the terrorists.
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Which countries i listed do you feel is the worst? What would be a reasonable recruitment rate in your opionion? Incidently did you see the news article that was posted here a while back, about how the taliban were driven out of a Pakistani town by local civillians?
 
Red_Dave said:
Which countries i listed do you feel is the worst? What would be a reasonable recruitment rate in your opionion? Incidently did you see the news article that was posted here a while back, about how the taliban were driven out of a Pakistani town by local civillians?
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One town? Only one? Why didn't the Afghans and Paks destroy the Tallies 15 years ago when they first showed up? There are Muslims that could inform on al Qaeda cells and aid in their extermination, but don't. Why is that? I'm just not seeing a pattern among the majority of Muslims do anything against Islamic terrorism, other than give it lip service and try, "educate", people about Islam. If the Muslims eradicated the terrorists, no one would need to be, "educated", about Islam. However, as long as the terrorists are allowed to operate under the obvious veil of protection that the Muslim community offers, it will be a black mark on Islam as a whole.
 
apdst said:
If the Muslims eradicated the terrorists, no one would need to be, "educated", about Islam.
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I already asked how we are supposed to eradicate it when even the US Army is failing ... and you haven't answered
 
Laila said:
I already asked how we are supposed to eradicate it when even the US Army is failing ... and you haven't answered
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Because Muslims can infiltrate their ranks. Muslims are going to trust other Muslims.
 
Extremist Muslims kill other Muslims with no qualms.
Why would we trust one another?
 
Laila said:
Extremist Muslims kill other Muslims with no qualms.
Why would we trust one another?
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You've sold me. There's no need to even try. Just sit back and do nothing. They'll go away on their own. Hey, someone might get hurt if ya'll go up against the terrorists, right?
 
apdst said:
You've sold me. There's no need to even try. Just sit back and do nothing. They'll go away on their own. Hey, someone might get hurt if ya'll go up against the terrorists, right?
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Someone is hurt everyday.

Then you go out and fight

I will let the Army do it. After all, if it does not fight. Then what is the point of its existence?
 
TheNextEra said:
So are you saying ALL Muslims are Jihadists hell bent on destroying America?
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All "devout" Muslims are jihadists and are hell bent on undermining our miserable house so that Allah's religion can one day become made supreme.
 
Turbeaux said:
All "devout" Muslims are jihadists and are hell bent on undermining our miserable house so that Allah's religion can one day become made supreme.
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I am a devout Muslim.

And i assure you, you are not worth my time neither is any other religion
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Tucker Case said:
No problem:

You perceive Islam itself as a threat, what is your proposed solution to defend against this threat?
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In my book we have only three options.

First, wipe off 1.5 billion people from the face planet.

Second, we can surrender and succumb to Islam and if you are of the people of the book, i.e., a Christian or Jew, you have three choices to choose from: you can either choose to convert, become a dhimmi and pay the Jizya with willing submission, and live a very oppressed and degrading life, or face death, per Koran 9.29. On the other hand, if you are secular or otherwise neither Christian nor Jew, your choices are either conversion or death.

Third, we can disengage from the Dar al Islam altogether as much as possible.

Of the three above options, the first one is extremely distasteful to my sensibilities, the second one is too depressing to even contemplate, and therefore that leaves only the last one, which in my book is easily the most sensible one.
 
Laila said:
I am a devout Muslim.

And i assure you, you are not worth my time neither is any other religion
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You are about as Muslim as I am. Give me a break!
 
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