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Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

Well i would assume if you had shot someone for a reason, you would have expanded on it. But seeing you left it at 'I shot a Imam' kinda makes one suspicious.

Oh yeah, licence to shoot people?
What are you trying to be? James Bond? And he got away with it because he was hot ... and not real

You assume too much, it's none of your ****ing business. If I wanted to talk about it, I would talk about it, since I didn't, obviously I didn't want to.

You asked a ****ed up question; I gave you ****ed up answer.
 
You asked a ****ed up question; I gave you ****ed up answer.

Now lets move on to the next question.
Have you read the Qu'ran and hadiths? Visited a Mosque? Have you ever even spoken to a Imam before?

I ask those questions and you reply with 'I shot a Imam'

Are you sure about not wanting to see a doctor?
 
There are approx 1.5 BILLION of Muslims out there. Can you show how the MAJORITY of those support terrorist acts?

Thanks for asking! Yes I can, with respect to Israel’s Operation Cast Lead, which Israel conducted in an attempt to stop the incessant rocket attacks indiscriminately fired into Israel by Hamas and other sister terrorist groups at civilian non-combatants, the Muslims around the world and including in the USA rallied behind the terrorists and protested against Israel openly in the streets. The same thing occurred throughout the world when the Hezbos instigated a war against Israel a couple of years ago known today as the July War.

Not to mention that soon following 9/11, I remember seeing numerous polls conducted throughout the Islamic world that indicated support for OBL was at 99 percent. In addition, these polls were very well publicized at the time. Now, after the Islamic world had the time to observe the destruction that was wrought upon the Islamic world because of Obama’s preemptive attack upon the homeland of the USA, many Muslim have since changed their minds with respect to his tactics, if not his cause, and today while OBL still enjoys significant support in the Islamic world, that support has significantly deteriorated and eroded.

By the same token, can you show where the MAJORITY does not support the terrorists? Thanks.
 
Fair enough.

Then we can all agree Muhammed would have known nothing about explosives. So Laila is indeed correct.

Mmm, still not neccessarily. He wouldn't have known anything about gunpowder, yet he may have had some knowledge of Greek Fire, or something similar to it. But, she said that that bombs didn't exist during Mohammed's time, which isn't entirely accurate.
 
I ask those questions and you reply with 'I shot a Imam'

Are you sure about not wanting to see a doctor?

No, you asked a question trying to bust my balls.
 
I remember seeing numerous polls conducted throughout the Islamic world that indicated support for OBL was at 99 percent.

By the same token, can you show where the MAJORITY does not support the terrorists? Thanks.

Proof.
99 LOL

You can rarely get 50% of Muslims to agree with anything and you think you got 99% of 1.2billion to support OBL?

I can't wait to see this evidence

Large and Growing Numbers of Muslims Reject Terrorism, Bin Laden - World Public Opinion

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Poll: American Muslims reject extremes - USATODAY.com
The USA's estimated 2.4 million Muslims hold more moderate political views than Muslims elsewhere in the world and are mostly middle class and willing to adopt the American way of life, according to one of the most comprehensive surveys of this segment of the nation's population.

BBC NEWS | Americas | Most Muslims 'desire democracy'

The poll by Gallup of more than 50,000 Muslims in 35 nations found most wanted the West to instead focus on changing its negative view of Muslims and Islam.

The huge survey began following the 11 September 2001 attacks in the US.

The overwhelming majority of those asked condemned them and subsequent attacks, citing religious reasons.
The poll, which claims to represent the views of 90% the world's 1.3 billion Muslims, is to be published next month as part of a book entitled Who Speaks For Islam? What A Billion Muslims Really Think.
 
No, you asked a question trying to bust my balls.

No, those were the questions i asked and that you replied it with. No need to lie.
Would you like to go back two pages to confirm that?
 
Mmm, still not neccessarily. He wouldn't have known anything about gunpowder, yet he may have had some knowledge of Greek Fire, or something similar to it. But, she said that that bombs didn't exist during Mohammed's time, which isn't entirely accurate.

Actually, they didn't. Even your greek fire example has been proven wrong in Muhammads time.
 
The above makes no sense. Is there any chance you could rephrase the question again with a decent sentence structure and without extraneous verbs, such as "are" instead of "or"?

Sure thing. Wow one minor error because I was typing fast and didn't proof read the post before I hit the submit button and you send it back for correction. What is this...grammar school or something?:mrgreen:

I'll have to remember that one next time I get a tough question I can't reasonably answer!:mrgreen:

Indeed, if I didn't know better I might believe you were trying to dodge the question. Anyway here it is:

Just out of curiosity can you point to any single incidence of violence, attack, or war against non-Muslims or Muslims alike anywhere in the world and during any period of time for that matter when the Muslims involved didn't resort to the tactics of terrorism in emulation of their prophet, Muhammad, the uswa hasana, the perfect model and excellent example for emulation, and instead where the Muslims involved abided by the rules of engagement as set forth in the Geneva Conventions?

The above was in response to the following:

Common sense = not all terrorists are muslim
 
Sure thing. Wow one minor error because I was typing fast and didn't proof read the post before I hit the submit button and you send it back for correction. What is this...grammar school or something?:mrgreen:

I'll have to remember that one next time I get a tough question I can't reasonably answer!:mrgreen:

Indeed, if I didn't know better I might believe you were trying to dodge the question. Anyway here it is:

Just out of curiosity can you point to any single incidence of violence, attack, or war against non-Muslims or Muslims alike anywhere in the world and during any period of time for that matter when the Muslims involved didn't resort to the tactics of terrorism in emulation of their prophet, Muhammad, the uswa hasana, the perfect model and excellent example for emulation, and instead where the Muslims involved abided by the rules of engagement as set forth in the Geneva Conventions?

The above was in response to the following:

It still doesn't make any sense.

First how does that possibly relate to the common sense statement that not all terrorists are muslim?

Are you saying all terrorists are muslim? That being a non-muslim means you can't be a terrorist?

I just can't see how it relates.

Second, the sentence structure still doesn't make any sense. I gave an example of the odd verb usage, but I knew that wasn't "are" and that it should be "or". The rest still doesn't make any sense.

Let me explain by breaking it down:

"...can you point to any single incidence of violence, attack, or war against non-Muslims or Muslims alike anywhere in the world and during any period of time..."

From this, you look like you are asking about any act of violence, attack or war perpetrated against any people, anywhere, ever in history.


"...when the Muslims involved..."

See, the part above basically states any attack against any people during any time any where. This would include native american wars in teh past. Of course in such a case muslims would not be involved. So I don;t get the lack of agreement.

didn't resort to the tactics of terrorism in emulation of their prophet, Muhammad

Terrorism is a very, very new concept. It did not exist until the 20th century. Targetting civilians was the norm for all people before that time, and was the norm for the US as recently as Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, to name a couple of trifling incidents.

Terrorism could not have been preached in the Koran or by Muhammad because the concept didn't even exist.

and instead where the Muslims involved abided by the rules of engagement as set forth in the Geneva Conventions?"

Again, a very recent creation, and not exactly something religiously adhered to by even the US today. I doubt I can accurately show a single instance of any group abiding by tehse conventions without incident, let alone a group that wasn't a signatory of that treaty (i.e. a religion)

So the question makes no sense. It asks questions that are unanswerable. In fact, it is a loaded question, which is a logical fallacy, because it can't be answered for any group of people based on religious reasons. You cannot cite a single example of christians, Atheists, Jews, hindus, Pagans or satanists abiding by the geneva conventions.
 
What is this a joke?

Can you answer the question or is too difficult for you?

"Muslims" who blow **** up use bombs. No bombs when Prophet Mohammed existed, nor guns

After the Hirja, which marks Muhammad’s migration from Mecca to Medina and the beginning of Islam and the Islamic calendar in 622 CE, Muhammad became a terrorist leader who led the Muslims in over 70 Razias (jihads) before he died in 632 CE.

Muhammad was hardly a holy man. He first began his career in Medina as a terrorist leader by robbing the Meccan caravans in revenge for being ousted from Mecca. Then soon enough Muhammad graduated from robbing caravans to attacking the kafirs (non-Muslims) living in Arabia. His trademark calling card was he always used deceit to deceive his enemies to attack them when they least expected it and when they were least prepared to defend against it.

His modus operandi was to kill all the adult males, rape and then enslave the women and the children. Indeed, the Muslims adored young boys as much as they adored the women. That’s why in addition to the 72 young virgins in Allah’s version of carnal paradise, there are also 72 young boys for those Muslim martyrs who adore young boys.

Additionally, Muhammad even turned against the Jewish tribe that first provided the hospitality for him to live in Medina after he was ousted from Mecca. By the time Muhammad died in 632 CE, virtually the entire Arabian Peninsula had been conquered by Muhammad and his then new religion of Islam, and then the Muslims went on to conquer a third of the world.

Muhammad also would get his early Muslim followers to kill everyone who criticized him, and that is why criticizing Muhammad is the worse form of blasphemy in the Islamic world today, as all those that are guilty of it are to be killed immediately without an opportunity provided to repent.

I believe it is safe to assume that had bombs and guns existed and been available back then, that Muhammad and his crew of Muslims would have put them to good use.

Suicide is forbidden, so hell no one would dare try and off themselves infront of the Prophet (MPBUH)

That is a one way ticket to hell. Not refundable.

Suicide/Homicide martyrdom operations have certainly been sanctioned by a small army of Imams in the Islamic world including the head of Al Ahzar University, Sheik Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, which is analogous to the Pope, and as a matter of fact in places like Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan we see that Suicide/Homicide martyrdom operations have become the weapon of choice.
 
Then what bombs existed in muhammad's time?

Incendiary devices/material existed during Mohammed's time.

Obviously it wasn't one of these, but a bomb just the same.

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I believe it is safe to assume that had bombs and guns existed and been available back then, that Muhammad and his crew of Muslims would have put them to good use.

Suicide/Homicide martyrdom operations have certainly been sanctioned by a small army of Imams in the Islamic world including the head of Al Ahzar University, Sheik Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, which is analogous to the Pope, and as a matter of fact in places like Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan we see that Suicide/Homicide martyrdom operations have become the weapon of choice.


Nice story but that does not refute my point
I can assume alot of things but you have no evidence.

Suicide is forbidden in the Qu'ran. End of. There is no debating what is in the Qu'ran

Whoever purposely throws himself from a mountain and kills himself, will be in the (Hell) Fire falling down into it and abiding therein perpetually forever; and whoever drinks poison and kills himself with it, he will be carrying his poison in his hand and drinking it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever; and whoever kills himself with an iron weapon, will be carrying that weapon in his hand and stabbing his abdomen with it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever

My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him

No wiggle room here. No if or buts. SUICIDE IS FORBIDDEN.
Find a Priest crazy enough and he can also sanction murder, does not mean the religion itself teaches it.
 
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Incendiary devices/material existed during Mohammed's time.

Obviously it wasn't one of these, but a bomb just the same.

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Gotta source? You'll have to excuse my disbelief, my own research indicated explosiveswere unknown to muhammad. And that bombs were nonexistent. I'm going to need more than a picture of a bomb and "obviously it wasn't one of these" as evidence before I believe you.
 
Do tell ...

What are these stealth forms of Jihad?

Even while you dodge my post, I won't do it to you. There are many kinds of stealth jihads, but the most prevalent with respect to the West would be demographic conquest, campaigns of Dawa, and the use of the money weapon. But Muslims also use economic jihad against us in many forms. For instance, see last year's astronomically high oil prices that mysteriously happened all of a sudden during an election year when one B. Hussein Obama happened to be running.

Wait, i forgot the good part. Define Jihad or what you think it is to Muslims ...

Jihad can be defined as anything that removes all the obstacles to the eventual imposition of Sharia. The word jihad in Arabic literally means to struggle and jihad also refers to the internal struggle that goes on inside each Muslim’s life to be a better slave of Allah. That form of jihad is known as the greater jihad.
 
Even while you dodge my post, I won't do it to you. There are many kinds of stealth jihads, but the most prevalent with respect to the West would be demographic conquest, campaigns of Dawa, and the use of the money weapon. But Muslims also use economic jihad against us in many forms. For instance, see last year's astronomically high oil prices that mysteriously happened all of a sudden during an election year when one B. Hussein Obama happened to be running.



Jihad can be defined as anything that removes all the obstacles to the eventual imposition of Sharia. The word jihad in Arabic literally means to struggle and jihad also refers to the internal struggle that goes on inside each Muslim’s life to be a better slave of Allah. That form of jihad is known as the greater jihad.

what would your solution be?
 
Yes. I'm stating unequivocally that all terrorism is an equal threat. You disagree based on something as inconsequential as religion?

Islam is far more a totalitarian political movement than it is a religion. Nevertheless, considering the tenor your previous post, I can't say that I'm surprised by you living in denial.

If we only focus on muslim-looking folks we are only trying to prevent 9/11.

Not hardly as 9/11 attacks are far and few between and lesser and smaller Islamic attacks are far easier to pull off. Moreover, we didn’t increase the size of the federal government by approximately 45 percent by creating the Department of Homeland Security and the new Directorate of Intelligence to protect ourselves from random unabombers and abortion clinic bombers.

A terrorist attack can, has, and will again come from non-muslims. I guarantee it.

Random attacks perpetrated by kooks, crazies, and flakes do not nearly represent the same threat we face emanating from Islamic terrorist attacks. I mean there are approx. 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Not to mention that most of those kinds of random terror attacks as opposed to Islamic terrorist attacks are rare events, whereas Islamic terrorist attacks arise from the universal mission of Islam to make the world sovereign for Allah, which is the sole purpose of Islam, and are exponentially far more widespread and prevalent.

The threats of terrorism are equal regardless of the ideology of the terrorists. No crazy person is more of a threat than another crazy person simply because they worship differently.

Crazy is crazy.

Uhm...Muslim's may not think like you, I would have said you and me, but I clearly don't think like you thankfully, but Muslims are not crazy. They have a fundamental mission and they seek to fulfill that mission the best way they can.
 
Turbeaux, do you feel that all muslims are a threat or just muslim terrorists?

In my opinion all "devout" Muslims are a potential threat. Not to mention that terrorism (qitaal) is just one form of jihad out of many different and varied forms of jihads, and as a form of jihad, terrorism is the least important and least ubiquitous form of jihad, as the Dar al Islam employs many other forms of jihad, most of them stealth, far more prevalently.

Thus, all devout Muslims are jihadists, however, not all Muslims will partake in the form of jihad known as terrorism, but nevertheless there are numerous other forms of jihad they can participate in other than terrorism.

In any event, if a Muslim fights or otherwise is forced into fighting, they will resort to emulating the prophet Muhammad, because all devout Muslims are inculcated to blindly follow Muhammad, the uswa hasana, the perfect model and excellent example for emulation, which means they will resort to the tactics of terrorism.
 
I was very serious.

How did you enjoy shooting a 65 year old man then?

EDIT: Without editing my original comment I will withdrawal it since age is not a matter with Iman in some sects.
Some sect require age.
 
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Proof.
99 LOL

We are talking fall and winter of 2001 and spring of 2002. It was in the news maybe not where you guys are, but it was in the news big time in the USA. Nevertheless, you must be nuts if you think I'm going to go back to 2001 to search for documentation that you just will scoff at no matter what!

Nevertheless, are you denying that the Islamic world was rallying around the Hezbos and Hamas terrorist groups when they were at war against Israel and not protesting in the streets all over the world against Israel? If you are going to deny it, I’m going to ask what planet you live on?

Furthermore with respect to your poll regarding suicide/homicide attacks, it is obviously invalid and absurd. Change the question to do you support suicide/homicide attacks against American kafirs in Iraq and Afghanistan and Jewish kafirs in Israel, and I suspect you will see nearly 100 percent support.

Nevertheless, that poll is still very alarming in its own right because look at all the Muslims that approve of homicide/suicide attacks regardless even when against Muslim civilians.

With respect to the USA Today Poll, it is also absurd. As if Muslims are going to cut his or her own throats and confess to pollsters who are completely ignorant of Islam the real purpose of the global jihad and their reason for migrating to the USA. That would be like a CIA agent living in Pakistan confessing his real intentions for being in Pakistan to a pollster. Not to mention it is conducted on a false understanding of Islam.

And your last BBC Poll is too ridiculous and absurd to even comment on. You can tell by the naive nature of the poll that it isn’t worth the paper it is going to be printed on. In any event, because the practice of taqiyya (deception) is so prevalent in the Islamic world and especially with regards to Muslims living in the west, I take all polls of Muslims with a grain of salt. Not to mention that I wouldn’t be surprised if the Wahhabi Lobby paid for that poll.

The notion that Muslims when confronted by kafirs wouldn’t fulfill their obligation to lie is ludicrous. Nonetheless, that is the state of ignorance we have to live with in the West today.

Thus, you miserably fail! Try again.
 
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