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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You mean this part?



    By that definition, those dudes fall more correctly under the, "lonw wolf nut jobs", category.
    How? The fit every one of those categories.

    Right, or wrong, it's Islamic terrorists that pose the greatest threat, at this point in history, therefore that's where the focus is going to placed. That being fact, we can't get anywhere strip searching an 80 y/o maw-maw, when looking for Islamic terrorists. It may not be PC, but profiling persons to determine if they're a threat is one the tools that law enforcement uses to catch terrorists, or any other criminal.
    And the OP itself shows that this is a terrible idea. I'm sure that Boyd would have been allowed on an airplane with no more than a cursory glance if people took your approach.

    Then airplane go boom boom.

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

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    Neo-Conservatives are exactly as I posted. It was they who took us into occupational war, ran up a big deficit (though Obama is trying to out do them), increased the size and scope of government, instituted more intrusive spying powers of the government, etc. Sorry that reality doesn't match your delusions, but that already happened. The Neo-con movement is one of fascism and horrible big brother tactics. Trying to pretend it is not is quite dangerous indeed and an assured way to lose the Republic.
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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    How? The fit every one of those categories.



    And the OP itself shows that this is a terrible idea. I'm sure that Boyd would have been allowed on an airplane with no more than a cursory glance if people took your approach.

    Then airplane go boom boom.

    Boyd might have. The 19 9/11 hi-jackers probably wouldn't have, if folks would have been using profiling to spot Muslim terrorists.


    I guess since profiling isn't 100% fullproof, we shouldn't use it? Is that right?
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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You must really hate Librulz.

    You really need to stop using the term Facism until you learn what it really is. Facism's history lies in Socialism. Communism and Facism aren't opponents of each other, they're in competition with each other.
    I'm not a fan of the Republocrats in general

    And I know exactly what fascism is, and the Neo-Con movement employees it often.
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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Boyd might have. The 19 9/11 hi-jackers probably wouldn't have, if folks would have been using profiling to spot Muslim terrorists.


    I guess since profiling isn't 100% fullproof, we shouldn't use it? Is that right?
    Easier solution that would have prevented 9/11: Don't let people on to airplanes with knives. That would have been 100% foolproof.

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Easier solution that would have prevented 9/11: Don't let people on to airplanes with knives. That would have been 100% foolproof.
    Profiling muslims wouldn't have prevented 9/11 since knives were still allowed on airplanes, BTW.

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Profiling muslims wouldn't have prevented 9/11 since knives were still allowed on airplanes, BTW.
    It might have. We'll never know. One thing's for sure, doing nothing isn't going to work.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Easier solution that would have prevented 9/11: Don't let people on to airplanes with knives. That would have been 100% foolproof.
    That might work, until someone orders a beer, then tears the aluminum, making a nice, sharp weapon. So, I guess 100% foolproof wouldn't be as accurate. The only thing that is 100% foolproof, is to stop the terrorists before they get to their target.

    We can't ignore common sense tactics, all the while hoping that no one uses his shoe laces to strangle a member of the flight crew, or uses an ink pen, or pencil to stab someone, or wears steel toed boots that can be used as a club, or boards with a female accomplice and she's carrying her knitting with her.
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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It might have. We'll never know. One thing's for sure, doing nothing isn't going to work.
    Nice strawman. Not profiling =/= doing nothing. What YOU ask for is doing nothing, at least if the person is not noticeably a muslim.

    What I look for is common sense and foresight.

    Common sense = not all terrorists are muslim

    Foresight = not taking a stance to treat non-muslim looking people as though they cannot possibly commit an act of terror.



    That might work, until someone orders a beer, then tears the aluminum, making a nice, sharp weapon. So, I guess 100% foolproof wouldn't be as accurate. The only thing that is 100% foolproof, is to stop the terrorists before they get to their target.
    Yeah, Good point. We should allow white people to carry knives on planes since they are not a threat and they might use a can as a weapon anyway so **** it.

    But we should ban muslims form being able to drink anything form any potential weapon cause they are the only threats to safety in the air. I mean, even if we search them before hand, they can always turn a lima bean into a nuclear bomb or something!!!!111!!!

    Trust me, not allowing knives on the planes would have prevented 9/11 far better than profiling ever could have.

    We can't ignore common sense tactics, all the while hoping that no one uses his shoe laces to strangle a member of the flight crew, or uses an ink pen, or pencil to stab someone, or wears steel toed boots that can be used as a club, or boards with a female accomplice and she's carrying her knitting with her.
    First, the fact that knitting needles are allowed on airplanes is proof that common sense tactics are not currently being employed.

    Also, there is nothing that prevents a lone wolf from doing these things so why are you actively calling for us to do nothing to try and stop THOSE people. They've done far more damage here than muslim terrorists have overall.
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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Nice strawman. Not profiling =/= doing nothing. What YOU ask for is doing nothing, at least if the person is not noticeably a muslim.

    What I look for is common sense and foresight.

    Common sense = not all terrorists are muslim

    Foresight = not taking a stance to treat non-muslim looking people as though they cannot possibly commit an act of terror.
    Other than being politically correct, what is your common sense and forsight going to accomplish?





    Yeah, Good point. We should allow white people to carry knives on planes since they are not a threat and they might use a can as a weapon anyway so **** it.
    Please don't put words into my mouth. I'm sure you're smarter than that

    Trust me, not allowing knives on the planes would have prevented 9/11 far better than profiling ever could have.
    Maybe, but, again, we'll never know.



    Also, there is nothing that prevents a lone wolf from doing these things so why are you actively calling for us to do nothing to try and stop THOSE people. They've done far more damage here than muslim terrorists have overall.

    How many casualties have the nut jobs produce vs. the Islamists?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Of course, as usual the Muslims will claim as a defense that Islam is being misunderstood and misinterpreted, and that the people involved are all standup individuals that couldn’t harm a flea much less kafirs.

    I urge everyone to study the text, tenants, and history of Islam. While there many different sects of Islam and many divisions within the camp of Islam, the ulema of all 4 major schools of Islamic jurisprudence that governs Islam in totality all unanimously agree in the universality of the obligation to make the world sovereign for Allah via the imposition of Sharia. All 4 major schools of Islamic jurisprudence also agree on the universal obligation for jihad as well.

    Now jihad doesn’t just necessarily consist of only terrorism, as there are many different kinds of jihad that Muslims employ and, as a matter of fact, nearly all of them operate below the radar of the public’s scrutiny via stealth, and nearly all of them involve deception in some form. In fact, deception goes hand in hand with Islam as Muhammad famously said, “that war is deceit.”

    In any event, it is time for more and more people to open up their eyes and begin realizing what is taking place right under our noses, and not only in the USA but also all over the world. In fact, learning how Muslims deceptively operate in other parts of the world that have entertained Muslim immigration for much longer than we have is an excellent way to learn about Islam and how so very deceptive it is.

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