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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

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    Liberalism sucks. Don't it?
    Sounds pretty good from where i'm sitting.


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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

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    Sounds pretty good from where i'm sitting.
    You like Liberalism and you complain about Labour? Labour members are the Libbos in the UK.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You'll never be able to pin all that on Conservatives, bro.
    Not the classical ones, but the neo ones. They're no different than the democrats. Looking to steal liberty and freedom at every chance in order to increase their own power. Neo-Cons are a very destructive, fascist force; and all that I listed are their tools to try to gain their way.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You like Liberalism and you complain about Labour? Labour members are the Libbos in the UK.
    No darling.
    The Liberal Democrats are.

    Labour are the secret Conservatives dressed in red.

    Get with it, jeez.
    Blair moved Labour right when he got control of the party, Cameron has moved the Conservative party left.


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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not the classical ones, but the neo ones. They're no different than the democrats. Looking to steal liberty and freedom at every chance in order to increase their own power. Neo-Cons are a very destructive, fascist force; and all that I listed are their tools to try to gain their way.
    Neo-ones being whatever you decide they are at that moment? Actually, Conservatives, neo or otherwise are nowhere close to your description that you posted.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    No darling.
    The Liberal Democrats are.

    Labour are the secret Conservatives dressed in red.

    Get with it, jeez.
    Blair moved Labour right when he got control of the party, Cameron has moved the Conservative party left.
    Labour is the center-left party. Or, are you like American Libbos and anyone that you don't agree with a Neo-Con?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, to qualify as a terrorist one has to have an agenda, or be a part of a movement that is furthered by a terror campaign. Otherwise, we're just talking about a few lone wolf nut jobs.
    According to the definition given here:

    United States Code - TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE - PART I - CRIMES - CHAPTER 113B - TERRORISM - section 2331

    Being a member of a group is notably missing from those definitions.

    McVeigh, Rudolph, and Kaczynski all had strong political goals in their actions, buit only one was associated with any known terrorist group (Rudolph and Army of God)

    Other groups that have committed act of terrorism on US soil are the Jewish Defense League, ALF, and Weather Underground.

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Labour is the center-left party. Or, are you like American Libbos and anyone that you don't agree with a Neo-Con?
    Labour is left socially - I'll give you that but right economically.
    Blair liked Thatcher for the love of God. He wanted a state funeral for her
    Can you GET more right in this country?

    Blair even once warned his party against shifting far left
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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    According to the definition given here:

    United States Code - TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE - PART I - CRIMES - CHAPTER 113B - TERRORISM - section 2331

    Being a member of a group is notably missing from those definitions.

    McVeigh, Rudolph, and Kaczynski all had strong political goals in their actions, buit only one was associated with any known terrorist group (Rudolph and Army of God)

    Other groups that have committed act of terrorism on US soil are the Jewish Defense League, ALF, and Weather Underground.

    You mean this part?

    (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
    (ii) to influence the policy of a government by
    intimidation or coercion; or
    (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass
    destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
    By that definition, those dudes fall more correctly under the, "lonw wolf nut jobs", category.

    Right, or wrong, it's Islamic terrorists that pose the greatest threat, at this point in history, therefore that's where the focus is going to placed. That being fact, we can't get anywhere strip searching an 80 y/o maw-maw, when looking for Islamic terrorists. It may not be PC, but profiling persons to determine if they're a threat is one the tools that law enforcement uses to catch terrorists, or any other criminal. If you're looking for Muslim terrorists--that's what I said to begin with--well, you're going to have to look a little harder at, "Mid-Eastern", looking people.
    Last edited by apdst; 07-28-09 at 07:10 PM.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Neo-ones being whatever you decide they are at that moment? Actually, Conservatives, neo or otherwise are nowhere close to your description that you posted.
    Neo-Conservatives are exactly as I posted. It was they who took us into occupational war, ran up a big deficit (though Obama is trying to out do them), increased the size and scope of government, instituted more intrusive spying powers of the government, etc. Sorry that reality doesn't match your delusions, but that already happened. The Neo-con movement is one of fascism and horrible big brother tactics. Trying to pretend it is not is quite dangerous indeed and an assured way to lose the Republic.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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