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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

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    I do hold them responsible. Two of my brothers and I left a Neo-Nazi type ****er bleeding in a road ditch one time and it was ok by most, because, well he's a white boy Neo-Nazi. Doing that to an Islamist would land us in jail for hate crimes. See what I mean?
    So, to be consistent in the analogy, you hold ALL Christians responsible for this Neo-Nazi jerk, correct? If you are a Christian, that means you are responsible for his behavior. See what I mean?
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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think what's off putting for some is that there is very little decrying of the actions of terrorists from the rest of the Muslim community, which I think is what apdst is trying to get at. No one is asking the rest of the Muslim groups to take care of terrorism, but I think what's wanted by many is to see some overall outrage at the terrorists activities. Christian groups for the most part decry violence perpetrated in their name. Someone blows up an abortion clinic and the leaders of churches and Christian groups come out and say while they don't like abortion, they do not condone violent actions taken against others. Things of that nature. But there seems to be a lot of silence when it comes to terrorism. You don't see leaders decrying these actions, saying that this isn't what Islam teaches (and as I understand it, the most open and understanding religion should be Islam because doesn't it recognize other religious paths as valid?) and that the violence against others is wrong and using it as a way to promote or practice the religion is a perversion of the religion itself.

    I think a lot more people would be well more comfortable if they heard messages like that coming from the Muslim community as a whole, and from its leaders as well.
    Ikari is correct, and I have said similar things in the ME Forum at times. The Muslim community doesn't have to do anything...except speak up more vocally.
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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Turbeaux View Post
    All "devout" Muslims are jihadists and are hell bent on undermining our miserable house so that Allah's religion can one day become made supreme.
    Define devout.
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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    BTW, Turbeaux, you still haven't answered my question from this post:

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    Please source your 99% figure that you stated was support in the Muslim world for 9/11. Let's see if YOUR source is valid or ridiculous.
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    One town? Only one? Why didn't the Afghans and Paks destroy the Tallies 15 years ago when they first showed up? There are Muslims that could inform on al Qaeda cells and aid in their extermination, but don't. Why is that? I'm just not seeing a pattern among the majority of Muslims do anything against Islamic terrorism, other than give it lip service and try, "educate", people about Islam. If the Muslims eradicated the terrorists, no one would need to be, "educated", about Islam. However, as long as the terrorists are allowed to operate under the obvious veil of protection that the Muslim community offers, it will be a black mark on Islam as a whole.
    Wtf? The Afgans have been fighting the taliban since the mid 90s and the situations pretty similar in Pakistan. I love the way your certain muslims arent offering intel on terroist groups because you dont "see" it when by its very nature this kind of thing is pretty low key. Just like you dont "see" reasonable recruitment rates for the army in these countries despite the fact you have made no effort to educate yourself as to what they are. Your assumptions here are based on nothing other than your own ignorance and bigotry.

    Though it has to be said that we,ve seen a number of attempted terroist attacks on both sides of the pond foiled due to tip offs. Where do you belive these tip offs are coming from?

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    So, to be consistent in the analogy, you hold ALL Christians responsible for this Neo-Nazi jerk, correct? If you are a Christian, that means you are responsible for his behavior. See what I mean?
    I'm not saying that Muslims are responsible for what the terrorists are doing. What I'm saying, is that they can't just turn a blind eye to it, all the while expecting everyone to buy into the, "they're not really Muslims", bill of goods. The terrorists are the Muslims's problem the same way that Hitler was Germany's problem; Mussolini was Italy's problem; the Bushoists were Japan's problem and so on. The terrorists are--justified or not--made into the poster boys for modern Islam. If the rest of the Muslim community doesn't want to be lumped in with them, then they should get out there and do something besides make excuses.





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    Wtf? The Afgans have been fighting the taliban since the mid 90s and the situations pretty similar in Pakistan. I love the way your certain muslims arent offering intel on terroist groups because you dont "see" it when by its very nature this kind of thing is pretty low key. Just like you dont "see" reasonable recruitment rates for the army in these countries despite the fact you have made no effort to educate yourself as to what they are. Your assumptions here are based on nothing other than your own ignorance and bigotry.

    Though it has to be said that we,ve seen a number of attempted terroist attacks on both sides of the pond foiled due to tip offs. Where do you belive these tip offs are coming from?

    Got any links to support what you're saying? Sure, there have been a few Muslims fighting the extremists, but not nearly enough. Why are all the other Muslims doing nothing but sitting on their thumbs making excuses? Why not get involved? Why does it seem that there are more Muslims that support, or at least condone terrorism than there are that get out there and kick some ass?
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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post


    Got any links to support what you're saying? Sure, there have been a few Muslims fighting the extremists, but not nearly enough. Why are all the other Muslims doing nothing but sitting on their thumbs making excuses? Why not get involved? Why does it seem that there are more Muslims that support, or at least condone terrorism than there are that get out there and kick some ass?
    Tell me what needs backing up and il provide a link. Put it this way. What specific actions should muslims be taking that they are not? if you mean kicking ass militarily isnt that kinda what the army is for? [and what the northern alliance was for]

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Tell me what needs backing up and il provide a link. Put it this way. What specific actions should muslims be taking that they are not? if you mean kicking ass militarily isnt that kinda what the army is for? [and what the northern alliance was for]
    Post a link to support that comments, or admit that it's just your opinion and based on the actual facts, you're wrong.
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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Post a link to support that comments, or admit that it's just your opinion and based on the actual facts, you're wrong.
    Well your the one thats *certain* recruitment rates in these countries are so low why dont you post links? Again what exactly do you want these links to prove?

    That the northern alliances has been fighting the taliban since the mid 90s?

    That intelligence gathering is typically low key?

    Or that terroist attacks have been foiled due to tip offs?

    And again please specify what actions civillian muslims should be taking?

    That kicking ass militarily is generally the job of the military?

    I certainly dont need a link to prove you,ve complained about low recruitment rates despite not educating yourself as to what they are. If all else fails I can just link to this thread
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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Well your the one thats *certain* recruitment rates in these countries are so low why dont you post links? Again what exactly do you want these links to prove?

    That the northern alliances has been fighting the taliban since the mid 90s?

    That intelligence gathering is typically low key?

    Or that terroist attacks have been foiled due to tip offs?

    And again please specify what actions civillian muslims should be taking?

    I certainly dont need a link to prove you,ve complained about low recruitment rates despite not educating yourself as to what they are. If all else fails I can just link to this thread
    I can't prove a negative. However, if you're so certain that I'm wrong, it should be a piece of cake to post information proving so. But, we all know you can't. Right?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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