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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Oh my.
    And my question comes.
    I need to make a tally on how many times i have asked this question, really. It must be dozens by now.

    What do you expect Moderate Muslims to do?
    I am not about to don a hat and gun and go fighting.
    If the United States and UK cannot destroy the extremists, how do you suggest Muslims with no military experience achieve this goal?
    I believe i am doing a good enough job - same with thousands of other Muslims by ensuring no one inside my community or family turn to extremism, actively helping the police

    I refuse to be held responsible for the actions of these barbaric idiots just because they share the same religion as me. It is hardly fair on me to be held responsible for the actions of another person
    I think what's off putting for some is that there is very little decrying of the actions of terrorists from the rest of the Muslim community, which I think is what apdst is trying to get at. No one is asking the rest of the Muslim groups to take care of terrorism, but I think what's wanted by many is to see some overall outrage at the terrorists activities. Christian groups for the most part decry violence perpetrated in their name. Someone blows up an abortion clinic and the leaders of churches and Christian groups come out and say while they don't like abortion, they do not condone violent actions taken against others. Things of that nature. But there seems to be a lot of silence when it comes to terrorism. You don't see leaders decrying these actions, saying that this isn't what Islam teaches (and as I understand it, the most open and understanding religion should be Islam because doesn't it recognize other religious paths as valid?) and that the violence against others is wrong and using it as a way to promote or practice the religion is a perversion of the religion itself.

    I think a lot more people would be well more comfortable if they heard messages like that coming from the Muslim community as a whole, and from its leaders as well.
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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    . No one is asking the rest of the Muslim groups to take care of terrorism, but I think what's wanted by many is to see some overall outrage at the terrorists activities.
    There are Islamist groups out there that are aginst terror:

    ISLAM AGAINST TERRORISM - Islam strictly prohibits the killing of innocent people

    This is just the first one from a google search.

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    What do you expect Moderate Muslims to do?

    Going online and explaining your views like you do is a good place to start.

    Sure, not all people will ever be able to distinguish your views from those of others, but for those open minded enough to pay attention, I would think the more voices like yours, the better.
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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Going online and explaining your views like you do is a good place to start.

    Sure, not all people will ever be able to distinguish your views from those of others, but for those open minded enough to pay attention, I would think the more voices like yours, the better.
    I think the moderates don't the mass media attention that the radicals do.

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I think the moderates don't the mass media attention that the radicals do.
    Very rarely are moderate muslims invited onto shows in UK when a attack happens or generally when Islam is the topic of discussion.
    They prefer the nuts like Anjem Choudry (i hate this man) who wants to behead everyone and stone women

    BBC does a good job with shows like these where a moderate muslim does argue against the islamist.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAKRvBe_-EA&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube - The Big Questions: Is Islam an intolerant religion? (Part 1 of 2)[/ame]
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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post


    Did he die if he were bleeding?
    He wasn't bleeding that bad. Not that I care, or anything.


    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Yes the cartoon protests were stupid but to think that Muslims do not condemn and are not outraged by terrorism is simply false.
    But, at the end of the day, it's just lip service. I mean, why is it that the US has to win the hearts and minds of the Muslims when--as you make it sound--that the US and the Muslims have a common enemy?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I think the moderates don't the mass media attention that the radicals do.
    The moderates would get some media attention if they went on a killing spree and killed a few thousand radicals, vice killing some dude over a cartoon. Don't you think?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He wasn't bleeding that bad. Not that I care, or anything.

    But, at the end of the day, it's just lip service. I mean, why is it that the US has to win the hearts and minds of the Muslims when--as you make it sound--that the US and the Muslims have a common enemy?
    You can never win a war in ME without winning the hearts and minds of the citizens or masses.


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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post


    The moderates would get some media attention if they went on a killing spree and killed a few thousand radicals, vice killing some dude over a cartoon. Don't you think?
    Well then they wouldn't be moderates would they? When staring into the abyss the abyss stares back at you.

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He wasn't bleeding that bad. Not that I care, or anything.




    But, at the end of the day, it's just lip service. I mean, why is it that the US has to win the hearts and minds of the Muslims when--as you make it sound--that the US and the Muslims have a common enemy?



    The moderates would get some media attention if they went on a killing spree and killed a few thousand radicals, vice killing some dude over a cartoon. Don't you think?
    Moderate muslims are already killing radicals in Afganistan, Iraq and Pakistan.

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    You can never win a war in ME without winning the hearts and minds of the citizens or masses.
    Why aren't they already on out side, if we're coming to kill the terrorists? That's one the two things that don't make a lick-a-sense.


    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Moderate muslims are already killing radicals in Afganistan, Iraq and Pakistan.

    A few, yes. All government troops and police. Why aren't Muslim men flocking to the military in droves to destroy the biggest threat to the religion in history?

    The terrorists seem to be getting a helluva lot of support from the locals, so I'm not all that convinced that Muslims are really interested in killing terrorists.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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