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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're incorrect, ma'am. I've never blamed Islam, nor the Koran for the actions of these terrorists. Unless you can find some actual statements of mine that suggest such, you oughta take that comment back and admit your mistake.
    Then i'll hold you to your word and apologise if i did make such a mistake


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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Since the beginning of time, folks have killed because of their beliefs or because of religion. Since not everyone of these religions kill, we must conclude that it is not the religion that is the problem but some of those that interpret that religion.
    That's exactly right. The people I hold responsible are the other 99% of Muslims who aren't terrorists and want to try to get along for sitting on their laurels while a faction perverts their religion.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Then i'll hold you to your word and apologise if i did make such a mistake
    No problem. Thank you. Glad we got that cleared up.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's exactly right. The people I hold responsible are the other 99% of Muslims who aren't terrorists and want to try to get along for sitting on their laurels while a faction perverts their religion.
    Oh my.
    And my question comes.
    I need to make a tally on how many times i have asked this question, really. It must be dozens by now.

    What do you expect Moderate Muslims to do?
    I am not about to don a hat and gun and go fighting.
    If the United States and UK cannot destroy the extremists, how do you suggest Muslims with no military experience achieve this goal?
    I believe i am doing a good enough job - same with thousands of other Muslims by ensuring no one inside my community or family turn to extremism, actively helping the police

    I refuse to be held responsible for the actions of these barbaric idiots just because they share the same religion as me. It is hardly fair on me to be held responsible for the actions of another person
    Last edited by Laila; 07-29-09 at 09:27 AM.


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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's exactly right. The people I hold responsible are the other 99% of Muslims who aren't terrorists and want to try to get along for sitting on their laurels while a faction perverts their religion.
    Then you must hold all Christians responsible for the vile acts of Fred Phelps and his group. And all Mormons are responsible for some of the child abuse that comes from some of the more fundamentalist sects. And I suppose all Jews are responsible for those that want to kill all Muslims. Shall I go on? See where this gets us? You know who is responsible for the Muslims who kill in the name of Islam? Those Muslims who killed in the name of Islam. That's it. I would like to see the more moderate Muslims speak out against the radicals...heck I'd like to see moderates of every group speak out against the extremist of their group...liberals, conservatives, Christians, Muslims, etc... But they are not responsible for the acts of those extremists.
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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I would like to see the more moderate Muslims speak out against the radicals...heck I'd like to see moderates of every group speak out against the extremist of their group...liberals, conservatives, Christians, Muslims, etc... But they are not responsible for the acts of those extremists.
    As would I and it has been increasing alot over the last few years in UK.

    Infact just last week a case occured in which a terrorist was convicted. He had the ability to kill hundreds, had suicide vests and everything. Tapes set out and he was British born (convert) ... the police and MI5 had no idea he existed .... until he was shopped by the local Mosque who approached the police and helped him be caught. The police did praise saying that people would have been killed if they did not get that help from the Muslim community.


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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    What do you expect Moderate Muslims to do?
    One would think that the Muslim community, worldwide, would be as outraged--if not more--over terrorists murdering innocent people in the name of Allah as they were over a few cartoons. I'm just wondering why they ready to kill people and burn down buildings because of a few cartoons but won't direct that same violence towards people that are disgracing Islam.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Then you must hold all Christians responsible for the vile acts of Fred Phelps and his group. .

    I do hold them responsible. Two of my brothers and I left a Neo-Nazi type ****er bleeding in a road ditch one time and it was ok by most, because, well he's a white boy Neo-Nazi. Doing that to an Islamist would land us in jail for hate crimes. See what I mean?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    One would think that the Muslim community, worldwide, would be as outraged--if not more--over terrorists murdering innocent people in the name of Allah as they were over a few cartoons. I'm just wondering why they ready to kill people and burn down buildings because of a few cartoons but won't direct that same violence towards people that are disgracing Islam.
    Yes the cartoon protests were stupid but to think that Muslims do not condemn and are not outraged by terrorism is simply false.


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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I do hold them responsible. Two of my brothers and I left a Neo-Nazi type ****er bleeding in a road ditch one time and it was ok by most, because, well he's a white boy Neo-Nazi. Doing that to an Islamist would land us in jail for hate crimes. See what I mean?


    Did he die if he were bleeding?


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