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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Turbeaux View Post
    We are talking fall and winter of 2001 and spring of 2002. It was in the news maybe not where you guys are, but it was in the news big time in the USA. Nevertheless, you must be nuts if you think I'm going to go back to 2001 to search for documentation that you just will scoff at no matter what!

    Nevertheless, are you denying that the Islamic world was rallying around the Hezbos and Hamas terrorist groups when they were at war against Israel and not protesting in the streets all over the world against Israel? If you are going to deny it, I’m going to ask what planet you live on?

    Furthermore with respect to your poll regarding suicide/homicide attacks, it is obviously invalid and absurd. Change the question to do you support suicide/homicide attacks against American kafirs in Iraq and Afghanistan and Jewish kafirs in Israel, and I suspect you will see nearly 100 percent support.

    Nevertheless, that poll is still very alarming in its own right because look at all the Muslims that approve of homicide/suicide attacks regardless even when against Muslim civilians.

    With respect to the USA Today Poll, it is also absurd. As if Muslims are going to cut his or her own throats and confess to pollsters who are completely ignorant of Islam the real purpose of the global jihad and their reason for migrating to the USA. That would be like a CIA agent living in Pakistan confessing his real intentions for being in Pakistan to a pollster. Not to mention it is conducted on a false understanding of Islam.

    And your last BBC Poll is too ridiculous and absurd to even comment on. You can tell by the naive nature of the poll that it isn’t worth the paper it is going to be printed on. In any event, because the practice of taqiyya (deception) is so prevalent in the Islamic world and especially with regards to Muslims living in the west, I take all polls of Muslims with a grain of salt. Not to mention that I wouldn’t be surprised if the Wahhabi Lobby paid for that poll.

    The notion that Muslims when confronted by kafirs wouldn’t fulfill their obligation to lie is ludicrous. Nonetheless, that is the state of ignorance we have to live with in the West today.

    Thus, you miserably fail! Try again.
    What I find interesting is you spend your entire post attacking Laila's sources, all based on your own opinion, devoid of facts. And you failed to answer her question. Please source your 99% figure that you stated was support in the Muslim world for 9/11. Let's see if YOUR source is valid or ridiculous.
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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Turbeaux View Post
    Could you ask it again, I can't understand your question.
    No problem:

    You perceive Islam itself as a threat, what is your proposed solution to defend against this threat?

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    How did you enjoy shooting a 65 year old man then?

    EDIT: Without editing my original comment I will withdrawal it since age is not a matter with Iman in some sects.
    Some sect require age.
    What makes you think he was 65? Just being a smartass for no reason?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Nice story but that does not refute my point
    I can assume alot of things but you have no evidence.

    Suicide is forbidden in the Qu'ran. End of. There is no debating what is in the Qu'ran

    Whoever purposely throws himself from a mountain and kills himself, will be in the (Hell) Fire falling down into it and abiding therein perpetually forever; and whoever drinks poison and kills himself with it, he will be carrying his poison in his hand and drinking it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever; and whoever kills himself with an iron weapon, will be carrying that weapon in his hand and stabbing his abdomen with it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever

    My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him

    No wiggle room here. No if or buts. SUICIDE IS FORBIDDEN.
    Find a Priest crazy enough and he can also sanction murder, does not mean the religion itself teaches it.
    Is this more of the, "the terrorists aren't really Muslims", blather?
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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    What I find interesting is you spend your entire post attacking Laila's sources, all based on your own opinion, devoid of facts. And you failed to answer her question. Please source your 99% figure that you stated was support in the Muslim world for 9/11. Let's see if YOUR source is valid or ridiculous.
    He knows he is lying.
    You can rarely get 9 out of 10 people to agree on something most of the time, so to say that occured with a billion people is just ridiculous.


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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Is this more of the, "the terrorists aren't really Muslims", blather?
    You are not refuting my point using facts.


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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    You are not refuting my point using facts.
    I'm asking if you're taking that same apologist line.
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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm asking if you're taking that same apologist line.
    Why would i?
    And no, i do not see them as Muslims but i do not have the authority or right to say who is and isn't a Muslim in the eyes of God, i can only judge through the texts.
    I do not approve of people like you blaming Islam and the Qu'ran or holding it responsible for what these people do.

    It demonstrates to me people are more willing to attack Islam than hold these individuals to account


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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Since the beginning of time, folks have killed because of their beliefs or because of religion. Since not everyone of these religions kill, we must conclude that it is not the religion that is the problem but some of those that interpret that religion.
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I do not approve of people like you blaming Islam and the Qu'ran or holding it responsible for what these people do.

    You're incorrect, ma'am. I've never blamed Islam, nor the Koran for the actions of these terrorists. Unless you can find some actual statements of mine that suggest such, you oughta take that comment back and admit your mistake.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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