Page 13 of 25 FirstFirst ... 3111213141523 ... LastLast
Results 121 to 130 of 241

Thread: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

  1. #121
    Matthew 16:3

    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Everywhere and nowhere
    Last Seen
    06-24-17 @ 05:05 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    45,603

    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Turbeaux View Post
    Even while you dodge my post, I won't do it to you. There are many kinds of stealth jihads, but the most prevalent with respect to the West would be demographic conquest, campaigns of Dawa, and the use of the money weapon. But Muslims also use economic jihad against us in many forms. For instance, see last year's astronomically high oil prices that mysteriously happened all of a sudden during an election year when one B. Hussein Obama happened to be running.



    Jihad can be defined as anything that removes all the obstacles to the eventual imposition of Sharia. The word jihad in Arabic literally means to struggle and jihad also refers to the internal struggle that goes on inside each Muslimís life to be a better slave of Allah. That form of jihad is known as the greater jihad.
    what would your solution be?

  2. #122
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    12-15-09 @ 11:30 AM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    326

    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Yes. I'm stating unequivocally that all terrorism is an equal threat. You disagree based on something as inconsequential as religion?
    Islam is far more a totalitarian political movement than it is a religion. Nevertheless, considering the tenor your previous post, I can't say that I'm surprised by you living in denial.

    If we only focus on muslim-looking folks we are only trying to prevent 9/11.
    Not hardly as 9/11 attacks are far and few between and lesser and smaller Islamic attacks are far easier to pull off. Moreover, we didnít increase the size of the federal government by approximately 45 percent by creating the Department of Homeland Security and the new Directorate of Intelligence to protect ourselves from random unabombers and abortion clinic bombers.

    A terrorist attack can, has, and will again come from non-muslims. I guarantee it.
    Random attacks perpetrated by kooks, crazies, and flakes do not nearly represent the same threat we face emanating from Islamic terrorist attacks. I mean there are approx. 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Not to mention that most of those kinds of random terror attacks as opposed to Islamic terrorist attacks are rare events, whereas Islamic terrorist attacks arise from the universal mission of Islam to make the world sovereign for Allah, which is the sole purpose of Islam, and are exponentially far more widespread and prevalent.

    The threats of terrorism are equal regardless of the ideology of the terrorists. No crazy person is more of a threat than another crazy person simply because they worship differently.

    Crazy is crazy.
    Uhm...Muslim's may not think like you, I would have said you and me, but I clearly don't think like you thankfully, but Muslims are not crazy. They have a fundamental mission and they seek to fulfill that mission the best way they can.

  3. #123
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    12-15-09 @ 11:30 AM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    326

    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Turbeaux, do you feel that all muslims are a threat or just muslim terrorists?
    In my opinion all "devout" Muslims are a potential threat. Not to mention that terrorism (qitaal) is just one form of jihad out of many different and varied forms of jihads, and as a form of jihad, terrorism is the least important and least ubiquitous form of jihad, as the Dar al Islam employs many other forms of jihad, most of them stealth, far more prevalently.

    Thus, all devout Muslims are jihadists, however, not all Muslims will partake in the form of jihad known as terrorism, but nevertheless there are numerous other forms of jihad they can participate in other than terrorism.

    In any event, if a Muslim fights or otherwise is forced into fighting, they will resort to emulating the prophet Muhammad, because all devout Muslims are inculcated to blindly follow Muhammad, the uswa hasana, the perfect model and excellent example for emulation, which means they will resort to the tactics of terrorism.

  4. #124
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Last Seen
    08-29-17 @ 09:28 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    16,575

    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I was very serious.
    How did you enjoy shooting a 65 year old man then?

    EDIT: Without editing my original comment I will withdrawal it since age is not a matter with Iman in some sects.
    Some sect require age.
    Last edited by TheNextEra; 07-29-09 at 12:22 AM.

  5. #125
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    12-15-09 @ 11:30 AM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    326

    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Proof.
    99 LOL
    We are talking fall and winter of 2001 and spring of 2002. It was in the news maybe not where you guys are, but it was in the news big time in the USA. Nevertheless, you must be nuts if you think I'm going to go back to 2001 to search for documentation that you just will scoff at no matter what!

    Nevertheless, are you denying that the Islamic world was rallying around the Hezbos and Hamas terrorist groups when they were at war against Israel and not protesting in the streets all over the world against Israel? If you are going to deny it, Iím going to ask what planet you live on?

    Furthermore with respect to your poll regarding suicide/homicide attacks, it is obviously invalid and absurd. Change the question to do you support suicide/homicide attacks against American kafirs in Iraq and Afghanistan and Jewish kafirs in Israel, and I suspect you will see nearly 100 percent support.

    Nevertheless, that poll is still very alarming in its own right because look at all the Muslims that approve of homicide/suicide attacks regardless even when against Muslim civilians.

    With respect to the USA Today Poll, it is also absurd. As if Muslims are going to cut his or her own throats and confess to pollsters who are completely ignorant of Islam the real purpose of the global jihad and their reason for migrating to the USA. That would be like a CIA agent living in Pakistan confessing his real intentions for being in Pakistan to a pollster. Not to mention it is conducted on a false understanding of Islam.

    And your last BBC Poll is too ridiculous and absurd to even comment on. You can tell by the naive nature of the poll that it isnít worth the paper it is going to be printed on. In any event, because the practice of taqiyya (deception) is so prevalent in the Islamic world and especially with regards to Muslims living in the west, I take all polls of Muslims with a grain of salt. Not to mention that I wouldnít be surprised if the Wahhabi Lobby paid for that poll.

    The notion that Muslims when confronted by kafirs wouldnít fulfill their obligation to lie is ludicrous. Nonetheless, that is the state of ignorance we have to live with in the West today.

    Thus, you miserably fail! Try again.

  6. #126
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    12-15-09 @ 11:30 AM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    326

    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It still doesn't make any sense.

    First how does that possibly relate to the common sense statement that not all terrorists are muslim?

    Are you saying all terrorists are muslim? That being a non-muslim means you can't be a terrorist?

    I just can't see how it relates.

    Second, the sentence structure still doesn't make any sense. I gave an example of the odd verb usage, but I knew that wasn't "are" and that it should be "or". The rest still doesn't make any sense.

    Let me explain by breaking it down:

    "...can you point to any single incidence of violence, attack, or war against non-Muslims or Muslims alike anywhere in the world and during any period of time..."

    From this, you look like you are asking about any act of violence, attack or war perpetrated against any people, anywhere, ever in history.


    "...when the Muslims involved..."

    See, the part above basically states any attack against any people during any time any where. This would include native american wars in teh past. Of course in such a case muslims would not be involved. So I don;t get the lack of agreement.



    Terrorism is a very, very new concept. It did not exist until the 20th century. Targetting civilians was the norm for all people before that time, and was the norm for the US as recently as Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, to name a couple of trifling incidents.

    Terrorism could not have been preached in the Koran or by Muhammad because the concept didn't even exist.



    Again, a very recent creation, and not exactly something religiously adhered to by even the US today. I doubt I can accurately show a single instance of any group abiding by tehse conventions without incident, let alone a group that wasn't a signatory of that treaty (i.e. a religion)

    So the question makes no sense. It asks questions that are unanswerable. In fact, it is a loaded question, which is a logical fallacy, because it can't be answered for any group of people based on religious reasons. You cannot cite a single example of christians, Atheists, Jews, hindus, Pagans or satanists abiding by the geneva conventions.
    What? I'm sorry but you don't make sense. Try again!

  7. #127
    Sage
    bhkad's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Last Seen
    08-13-10 @ 01:01 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    10,745

    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well ****, that sounds pretty reasonable. I'll take it. You sound like you don't like that, what would you do? Have random police inspections? Random wire tapping?
    Patriot Act sounds pretty good to me.

    OBL 11/24/02

  8. #128
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    12-15-09 @ 11:30 AM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    326

    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Nice story but that does not refute my point
    I can assume alot of things but you have no evidence.
    Your point was semantics. It was absurd and you are playing games.

    Suicide is forbidden in the Qu'ran. End of. There is no debating what is in the Qu'ran

    Whoever purposely throws himself from a mountain and kills himself, will be in the (Hell) Fire falling down into it and abiding therein perpetually forever; and whoever drinks poison and kills himself with it, he will be carrying his poison in his hand and drinking it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever; and whoever kills himself with an iron weapon, will be carrying that weapon in his hand and stabbing his abdomen with it in the (Hell) Fire wherein he will abide eternally forever

    My slave has caused death on himself hurriedly, so I forbid Paradise for him

    No wiggle room here. No if or buts. SUICIDE IS FORBIDDEN.
    Find a Priest crazy enough and he can also sanction murder, does not mean the religion itself teaches it.
    Yeah right:

    "He who commits suicide kills himself for his own benefit, while he who commits martyrdom sacrifices himself for the sake of his religion and his nation. While someone who commits suicide has lost hope with himself and with the spirit of Allah, the Mujahid is full of hope with regard to Allah's spirit and mercy. He fights his enemy and the enemy of Allah with this new weapon, which destiny has put in the hands of the weak, so that they would fight against the evil of the strong and arrogant. The Mujahid becomes a 'human bomb' that blows up at a specific place and time, in the midst of the enemies of Allah and the homeland, leaving them helpless in the face of the brave Shahid who... sold his soul to Allah, and sought the Shahada [Martyrdom] for the sake of Allah."

    Sheik Qaradhawi added that these operations are allowed even when the casualties are civilians: "Israeli society is militaristic in nature. Both men and women serve in the army and can be drafted at any moment. [On the other hand] if a child or an elderly is killed in such an operation, he is not killed on purpose, but by mistake, and as a result of military necessity. Necessity justifies the forbidden."[6]

    --Sheik Al-Qaradhawi


    Debating the Religious, Political and Moral Legitimacy of Suicide Bombings Part 1: The Debate over Religious Legitimacy

    MEMRI: Inquiry and Analysis - No. 53

    No damn wiggle room! Please...

  9. #129
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    12-15-09 @ 11:30 AM
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    326

    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    what would your solution be?

    Could you ask it again, I can't understand your question.

  10. #130
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Last Seen
    08-29-17 @ 09:28 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    16,575

    Re: Seven NC men charged as international "jihad" group

    Quote Originally Posted by Turbeaux View Post
    Could you ask it again, I can't understand your question.
    So are you saying ALL Muslims are Jihadists hell bent on destroying America?

Page 13 of 25 FirstFirst ... 3111213141523 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •