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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You DO know that this whole Health care thing is all about gaining and maintaing power for the Democratic Party, and little else- right?
    I'd say it's more about general political power mainly because no one is proposing to do away with Medicaid or Medicare which are on the road to ruin as it is.

    Once something like that is enacted, the representatives go back home and say, "look what I did for you."
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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You DO know that this whole Health care thing is all about gaining and maintaing power for the Democratic Party, and little else- right?
    I think everyone KNOWS this but Liberals still like to pretend that it is all about "caring."

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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I think everyone KNOWS this but Liberals still like to pretend that it is all about "caring."
    I don't think you understand who runs this country!? The reason that H.C. reform is hung up is due to the friction between the industry gorillas and the accountants in gov't. The AMA, Insurance companies and Big Pharma are happy to have reform proceed as long as their particular government sheltered share of H.Care profits remain intact. Insurance companies are eager to expand their customer base. A public option gets in the way of that goal. Unfortunately, it is near impossible to reform H.C. without crossing some of these powerful entities.

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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    I don't think you understand who runs this country!? The reason that H.C. reform is hung up is due to the friction between the industry gorillas and the accountants in gov't. The AMA, Insurance companies and Big Pharma are happy to have reform proceed as long as their particular government sheltered share of H.Care profits remain intact. Insurance companies are eager to expand their customer base. A public option gets in the way of that goal. Unfortunately, it is near impossible to reform H.C. without crossing some of these powerful entities.

    Ama will reap benefits as long as they can effectively regulate the amount of doctors trained. I think this needs to be relaxed.

    How will a public option help, esp. in the long run?

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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by nkgupta80 View Post

    How will a public option help, esp. in the long run?
    A public option would be a large insurance pool administered as a non-profit. What do for-profit insurance companies add to the system? I know what they do for themselves- The profits of the 10 largest publicly traded health insurance companies rose 428% from 2000 to 2007.

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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    I don't think you understand who runs this country!? The reason that H.C. reform is hung up is due to the friction between the industry gorillas and the accountants in gov't.
    WRONG......again; it is because a vast majority of American is telling their representatives that this idea stinks to high heaven; and low and behold, some are listening because they don't want to get run out of town in the mid-terms.

    I am fascinated how people like you can bloviate such nonsense when there isn't a shred of evidence to support your arguments.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    The AMA, Insurance companies and Big Pharma are happy to have reform proceed as long as their particular government sheltered share of H.Care profits remain intact. Insurance companies are eager to expand their customer base. A public option gets in the way of that goal. Unfortunately, it is near impossible to reform H.C. without crossing some of these powerful entities.
    WRONG....but at least you are consistent. They know that the Guvuhmint option is going to destroy their businesses and make Americans dependent wards of the State who are stuck with a mediocre healthcare system that will only get worse with time.

    But alas, it is so easy to blather with hyperbolic rhetoric to fabricate enemies out of our insurance and medical industry, which I might add employ a LOT of people and create wealth for a LOT of people.

    Here's a question people like you, who have been brain washed into thinking Government is suddenly great and efficient merely because Democrats are in charge, need to ask your representatives: Are YOU all going to have the same healthcare program as the rest of us? The answer to that of course is a HUGE NO; just as it is in Canada and other nations.

    Now someone with a brain may be curious enough to jump to the next logical step which would be; why would you exempt yourselves from having the same options you want everyone else to have if this is such a GOOD idea?

    Perhaps then, with a slight bit of intellectual curiosity you have yet to display in this debate, the light of wisdom may finally begin to shine down on you.

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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    A public option would be a large insurance pool administered as a non-profit. What do for-profit insurance companies add to the system? I know what they do for themselves- The profits of the 10 largest publicly traded health insurance companies rose 428% from 2000 to 2007.
    I find the notion that a Government run option would create a larger pool of insurance. How does anyone with a modicum of common sense and facts arrive at such a conclusion?

    Government intervention does only ONE thing; reduce competition which then creates LESS choice and when they attempt to control costs they will indeed cut your options and choices even more.

    I want someone to name ONE thing the Government does that is cost effective, actively encourages more competition and creates better services and more choice. Go ahead; rack your brains out on this one.

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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    A public option would be a large insurance pool administered as a non-profit. What do for-profit insurance companies add to the system? I know what they do for themselves- The profits of the 10 largest publicly traded health insurance companies rose 428% from 2000 to 2007.
    For-profit adds competition, something that can be stymied with addition of non-profits backed by government funding. Competition is useful in maintaining efficiency in institutions, and ensuring long-term. Who cares if profits rose, as long as business is being conducted in a proper manner?

    The problem of course is that the healthcare industry is full of bad regulations, misaligned incentives that cause faulty business practices from all parties.

    Instead of calling it a market failure and increasing consolidation and control, the government should find ways to promote the healthy competition. This could be rules or restrictions on how for-profit firms operate, legal issues on patient care, altering the business model to align a doctor's profit model with quality of care, or allowing for information access and free-flow of information.

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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I find the notion that a Government run option would create a larger pool of insurance. How does anyone with a modicum of common sense and facts arrive at such a conclusion?

    Government intervention does only ONE thing; reduce competition which then creates LESS choice and when they attempt to control costs they will indeed cut your options and choices even more.

    I want someone to name ONE thing the Government does that is cost effective, actively encourages more competition and creates better services and more choice. Go ahead; rack your brains out on this one.
    I agree with your first two paragraphs. The last one is easy to answer. Laws and regulations that promote competition directly. The most basic one is the establishment of property rights. I'm probably getting you on semantics for the last one.

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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by nkgupta80 View Post
    For-profit adds competition, something that can be stymied with addition of non-profits backed by government funding. Competition is useful in maintaining efficiency in institutions, and ensuring long-term. Who cares if profits rose, as long as business is being conducted in a proper manner?
    My goodness, You would think , from these posts that Americans receive H.C. from insurance companies. For profit insurance companies add competition? Where do you get this stuff? In what way do insurance companies provide efficiency? And "in a proper manner"?
    Did you hear or witness the House hearings with insurance execs on the practice of recission?? That is how insurance companies compete. But it is nice to know that some Americans are happy to throw their H.C. $$ into the maw of investors as long as it has nothing to do with government management!
    The problem of course is that the healthcare industry is full of bad regulations, misaligned incentives that cause faulty business practices from all parties.
    Which is why the marriage of the profit motive and the administration of H.C. should be divorced. It is a really bad (accidental) idea.
    Instead of calling it a market failure and increasing consolidation and control, the government should find ways to promote the healthy competition. This could be rules or restrictions on how for-profit firms operate, legal issues on patient care, altering the business model to align a doctor's profit model with quality of care, or allowing for information access and free-flow of information.
    You may have missed this, but Health Insurance companies have ALREADY consolidated - they call it merging and say it promotes "efficiency". For those of us living in small states, it means there is MacDonalds or Burger King when you go health insurance shopping.

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