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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Is the food industry a completely free market, or are their price controls, subsidies, and government intervention into the market?
    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Much of the food sector is regulated heavily and prices are kept down. So, no, I have no problem with it. Subsidies by the government keep the prices down. What I don't like about the food industry is they try to sell all of us junk for cheap and make healthy food far more expensive. Now that makes no sense to me.
    Government corn subsidies help keep things like High Fructose corn syrup in our soft drinks and other foods instead of real sugar, real sugar is better for you.

    There are no price controls in the food industry in fact government is helping establish corporate farms instead of letting the little guys compete.

    Ever hear of Monsanto? They own the rights to Round Up ready corn and soy.
    They are a very large corporation and they receive farm subsidies. If you don't know Round Up is a weed killer, the corn is genetically altered so that the weed killer won't kill the corn.

    Most of the farm subsidies go to a small pool of corporations.
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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Government corn subsidies help keep things like High Fructose corn syrup in our soft drinks and other foods instead of real sugar, real sugar is better for you.

    There are no price controls in the food industry in fact government is helping establish corporate farms instead of letting the little guys compete.

    Ever hear of Monsanto? They own the rights to Round Up ready corn and soy.
    They are a very large corporation and they receive farm subsidies. If you don't know Round Up is a weed killer, the corn is genetically altered so that the weed killer won't kill the corn.

    Most of the farm subsidies go to a small pool of corporations.
    The U.S. guarantees prices to farmers, and subsidizes basics from wheat to dairy.
    This is from the[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agricultural_subsidy"] wiki page[/ame] supposedly using USDA 2006 Fiscal Year Budget

    The following are the subsidies by crop in 2004 in the United States.
    Commodity US Dollars (in Millions)
    Feed Grains $2,841
    Upland and ElS Cotton $1,420
    Wheat $1,173
    Rice $1,130
    Soybeans and products $610
    Dairy $ 295
    Peanuts $259
    Sugar $61
    Minor Oilseeds $29
    Tobacco $18
    Wool and Mohair $12
    Vegetable Oil products $11
    Honey $3
    Other Crops $160
    Total $8,022

    I think the point is for basic food stuffs there little laissez faire market here, instead I would consider this significant intervention to the tune of $8 billion.

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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    The U.S. guarantees prices to farmers, and subsidizes basics from wheat to dairy.
    This is from the wiki page supposedly using USDA 2006 Fiscal Year Budget

    The following are the subsidies by crop in 2004 in the United States.
    Commodity US Dollars (in Millions)
    Feed Grains $2,841
    Upland and ElS Cotton $1,420
    Wheat $1,173
    Rice $1,130
    Soybeans and products $610
    Dairy $ 295
    Peanuts $259
    Sugar $61
    Minor Oilseeds $29
    Tobacco $18
    Wool and Mohair $12
    Vegetable Oil products $11
    Honey $3
    Other Crops $160
    Total $8,022

    I think the point is for basic food stuffs there little laissez faire market here, instead I would consider this significant intervention to the tune of $8 billion.
    Again since most of the recipients are large corporations it creates a negative market place where consumers are paying more for their food than it actually costs. Large corporations reign in the profits from such.

    Government intervention is bad, in nearly every case you can present.

    "This paper analyzes how Washington distributed farm subsidies in 2002 and illustrates that farm subsidies continue to represent America's largest corporate welfare program."



    Another Year at the Federal Trough: Farm Subsidies for the Rich, Famous, and Elected Jumped Again in 2002
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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    I think profits are great in many sectors. People should be able to do the jobs they want, own businesses, and become rich if they can. But, when it comes to health care, no. Health care is a different thing altogether.
    Why? How?
    And, If it ss -so- important that people should not make money off of it, what argument is there that people should be paid for providing the goods and services related to it?

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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    The most egregious insurance practices occur in the individual market. How do you obtain your insurance?
    I'll take that as a "no".

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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    The U.S. guarantees prices to farmers, and subsidizes basics from wheat to dairy.
    This is from the wiki page supposedly using USDA 2006 Fiscal Year Budget

    The following are the subsidies by crop in 2004 in the United States.
    Commodity US Dollars (in Millions)
    Feed Grains $2,841
    Upland and ElS Cotton $1,420
    Wheat $1,173
    Rice $1,130
    Soybeans and products $610
    Dairy $ 295
    Peanuts $259
    Sugar $61
    Minor Oilseeds $29
    Tobacco $18
    Wool and Mohair $12
    Vegetable Oil products $11
    Honey $3
    Other Crops $160
    Total $8,022

    I think the point is for basic food stuffs there little laissez faire market here, instead I would consider this significant intervention to the tune of $8 billion.
    I don't think they are getting it Sam_W
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    The U.S. guarantees prices to farmers, and subsidizes basics from wheat to dairy.

    The following are the subsidies by crop in 2004 in the United States.
    Total $8,022

    I think the point is for basic food stuffs there little laissez faire market here, instead I would consider this significant intervention to the tune of $8 billion.
    $8B represents 0.7% of the total GDP based only on food production (not total agriculture) from 2006.
    U.S. Department of Commerce. Bureau of Economic Analysis
    Table 1.5.6
    This negates your "there is little laissez faire market" argument.
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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by nkgupta80 View Post
    Just because Canadian and UK systems have flaws does not mean the American system does not need fixing.
    Just because the American system has flaws doesn't mean it needs to resemble the same failed systems in Europe and Canada.

    I had an argument the other day with a Canadian who, in their defense of waiting times, chimed that someone needing lesser care should have to wait because perhaps the Doctors have more pressing diseases/operations to deal with and this could wait.

    My response was; "say what?" Why does ANYONE have to wait for ANY level of care if a system is working correctly?

    You see my Liberal friends, government managed healthcare systems control the never ending increases in costs by limiting services, demanding lower pay for doctors and nurses which results in decline in such professions as they go where their services demand more pay and the Government won’t allow you to sue them.

    People die every day for surgery that in this great nation they would have gotten immediate treatment for.

    Do we need reform; you betchya. But the notion that the ONLY option is to allow the most incompetent and inefficient organizations on earth, our Governments, take them over defies common sense.

    Folks, these are the people who have spent us into a $1.8 trillion hole without any idea how to pay for it and you want them to manage your health? You have GOT to be kidding me right?

    As earlier stated, the efforts of NPR are to promote "liberal" agendas and distort the facts to fit their narrow and closed minded views about what "reform" constitutes.

    The best definition of reform is to put or change into an improved form or condition, or to amend or improve by change of form or removal of faults or abuses and not to destroy it.

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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Why don't we do this. Those that want the current reform can so indicate on our income tax form, and we can accept a higher rate. We can also get all of the outcome of the system. So should we lose our job, be denied coverage, lose coverage, etc.. we will benefit. Along with the cost savings.

    Those that oppose can simply mark on their income tax form they do not want this. So they will pay a lower rate. Except they or their family will never be able to take any benefits or coverage from the reform system. If medical bills become a burden, tough s**t. If they lose their jobs, tough s**t. If they are denied coverage, tough s**t. If your 65, go live with your kids, live on the street, or kill yourself, but don't come begging to Medicare.

    Hell why stop there. We can do the same with that evil Socialist education system we call public education. Of course when our GDP drops because we do not have enough educated people, we are given the right to tax the s**t out of conservatives to make up for OUR losses in income growth. Oh, and they also can not bitch and moan when we bring in more educated immigrants from China, India, etc.. to make up for the loss in employment pool.
    Silly Sam, don't you get it yet? This isn't about choice. Liberals aren't concerned with choice. Socialism does not include choice. Arrogant self described highly intellectual Liberals, perhaps like you, have the answers for ALL of us and they are the only ones ordained by the ignorant masses to confiscate our wealth and re-distribute it they way THEY know it will do the most good.....dontchyaknow.


    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Sorry but I am sick to death of listening to conservatives, most of whom who have sucked at the teat of big government their entire lives complain. Prime example; Phil Gramm the leader in conservative hypocrisy and stupidity. Like when I looked at those moron Tea-Bagger rallies and see that about 99% were of the lower economic classes, I just wanted to vomit at the sight of such stupidity. Well I suppose they could all just home school the kiddies, yeah right. Personally one has never come across my desk, but I can guarantee that we would NEVER even interview a home schooler.
    You know what I get sick of; Liberals making farcical false hyperbolic claims about Conservatives in a vacuum of facts and reality.

    Your comments typify the angry ranting mental state of Liberals who when their socialist agenda's get stymied even when they have majorities and can exclude their Conservative counterparts from the political process.

    The above does however provide a great example of the angry arrogance that appears to be a genetic trait of Liberals however, but thank you for once again illustrating it in such a clear fashion.


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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by powrtoch View Post
    The unfortunate truth about the American health care system is that it's almost entirely controlled by a for profit industry (insurance). No average American can easily cover the price tag of health care in America, and thus they rely on health insurance agencies who exert a lot of energy in finding ways to deny claims and coverage. Considering that the U.S. spends more per-capita on health care than any other nation on the planet, the populace shouldn't be experiencing such hassle in receiving care and I feel it's indicative of the fact that the U.S. system is no longer centered around providing care (if it ever was in the first place).
    I keep hearing this same farcical claim over and over again, yet in reality I have never experienced any insurance company denying ANY claims that were legitimate and within the coverage they provided.

    I am curious by this angry uninformed populist foolishness about making a profit as if it was a BAD thing. How the hell do you think your employer pays you a paycheck?

    Good lord, the education system in this nation is in worse shape than even I thought if this is what we are producing out there. But then when you see race baiting hate arrogant morons like Professor Gates out there in the teaching field, should anyone be surprised?

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