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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by powrtoch View Post
    The unfortunate truth about the American health care system is that it's almost entirely controlled by a for profit industry (insurance). No average American can easily cover the price tag of health care in America, and thus they rely on health insurance agencies who exert a lot of energy in finding ways to deny claims and coverage. Considering that the U.S. spends more per-capita on health care than any other nation on the planet, the populace shouldn't be experiencing such hassle in receiving care and I feel it's indicative of the fact that the U.S. system is no longer centered around providing care (if it ever was in the first place).
    Why is for profit health care bad?

    A lot of Americans can afford the out of pocket expenses of health care and it's not just rich people.

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Agreed. For Profit care is a stupid idea.
    Why?
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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Why is for profit health care bad?
    You're asking a socialst why profit is bad?

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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You're asking a socialst why profit is bad?
    Yep, I find that whenever I ask people, with flaky positions, questions they tend to crumble with overly generic talking points not bound in facts.

    Then you swing the hammer and finish it off.
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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yep, I find that whenever I ask people, with flaky positions, questions they tend to crumble with overly generic talking points not bound in facts.

    Then you swing the hammer and finish it off.
    Because one should not have the bottom line as the end product. The insurance companies hire people to figure how to get away with the least amount of care for people in order to save dimes, even when those kinds of care are included in their package. It's a way to find loopholes in the structure so that the company can profit on people's pain.

    I don't know why people are for profit health care. It makes no sense at all. Many of the arguments from the right in this regard are incredibly disingenuous. It's an immoral system.
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You're asking a socialst why profit is bad?
    I think profits are great in many sectors. People should be able to do the jobs they want, own businesses, and become rich if they can. But, when it comes to health care, no. Health care is a different thing altogether.
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    What is wrong with you Granola Liberals can you not read. You pick one item to attack but even there you're wrong we hear news stories all the time of patients coming here for treatment and people in the UK and Canada have to wait months for simple treatment. Canadians come here in droves for treatment because of the rationing of care there.
    The other thing you over looked because you're part of the I hate America Obama disciples is that I clearly said the system needs to be fixed.
    Actually, you are just misinformed about this. Canadians are not coming here in"droves". The Canadian gov't has agreements with some states, like Maine, to pay for Canadians to come here for M.R.I.s It is a win/win arrangement. The U.S. has underutilized, expensive equipment. Canadian provinces find it cost effective to outsource some procedures rather than buy more machines. It is called intelligent planning, not a failure of their system.

    Furthermore, lots of uninsured/ under insured Americans are going elsewhere for non emergency care: http://cincinnati.bizjournal.com/cin...9/story20.html

    Popular destinations for U.S. patients include India, Thailand, Mexico, Costa Rica and Singapore. Patients are commonly uninsured or underinsured, Woodman has said, and patients can expect rates 25 percent to 75 percent less than those in the U.S.

    That can amount to tens of thousands of dollars for major procedures such as a hip replacement or a heart valve replacement.


    Patients often get treatment in state-of-the-art, even luxurious facilities, and often by U.S.-trained doctors. Some have added credibility through accreditation by the Joint Commission International.

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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post


    Interesting. I've never had a claim or coverage denied.
    I've had a multitude of procedures, I've had kids, I've had PT - none denied.
    Nor do I know anyone that has.
    Can you explain that?
    The most egregious insurance practices occur in the individual market. How do you obtain your insurance?

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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
    Because one should not have the bottom line as the end product. The insurance companies hire people to figure how to get away with the least amount of care for people in order to save dimes, even when those kinds of care are included in their package. It's a way to find loopholes in the structure so that the company can profit on people's pain.

    I don't know why people are for profit health care. It makes no sense at all. Many of the arguments from the right in this regard are incredibly disingenuous. It's an immoral system.
    Do you disagree with the for profit food sector then? You need food more than you need health care.
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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Do you disagree with the for profit food sector then? You need food more than you need health care.
    Is the food industry a completely free market, or are their price controls, subsidies, and government intervention into the market?

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    Re: NPR - The Costs of Health Care, Political and Financial

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Do you disagree with the for profit food sector then? You need food more than you need health care.
    Much of the food sector is regulated heavily and prices are kept down. So, no, I have no problem with it. Subsidies by the government keep the prices down. What I don't like about the food industry is they try to sell all of us junk for cheap and make healthy food far more expensive. Now that makes no sense to me.
    It's time for a revolution in our country. Not a revolution forged with guns and bombs but a revolution forged of compassion and altruism. A revolution that extends a hand to those who don't have and who cannot. A revolution that makes Health Care available to all those in the US.

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