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    Re: Anti-Obama Rally in Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Obama Speech In Cairo:



    What part of this do you take exception to?
    Most of it, Obama seems to put the emphasis on Israel to change, and be the ones forced to make concessions and do what the Palestinians want... Everytime they've done this they've gotten burned. Obama's POV seems to be "Make Israel weak equals peace".

    I find that to be at the very least, naive, and at worst malicious.
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    Re: Anti-Obama Rally in Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Obama may or not be a Muslim, but I highly doubt his belief in Christianity. No Christian church I've ever sat in spewed the hatred he listened to from Jeremiah Wright.

    In fact, Wright sounded exactly like the mullahs that preach to radical Islamists. Same.....exact.....tone.
    I don't know about that. I've seen a great deal of hatred preached from evanagelical pulpits for the past decade.

    If you're not seeing it....you're not looking.
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    Re: Anti-Obama Rally in Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I don't know about that. I've seen a great deal of hatred preached from evanagelical pulpits for the past decade.

    If you're not seeing it....you're not looking.
    Of course there are some asshat preachers in the pulpit..

    But I don't recall any President who spent 20 years listening to such...
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    Re: Anti-Obama Rally in Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Of course there are some asshat preachers in the pulpit..

    But I don't recall any President who spent 20 years listening to such...
    Its hard to know if any of them did or didn't....unless you sat through 20 years of sermons. My guess is that many of them sat through a few such sermons.
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    Re: Anti-Obama Rally in Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Its hard to know if any of them did or didn't....unless you sat through 20 years of sermons. My guess is that many of them sat through a few such sermons.
    I wonder if you'd of said that say... two years ago or so? I'm thinking no.
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    Re: Anti-Obama Rally in Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Most of it, Obama seems to put the emphasis on Israel to change, and be the ones forced to make concessions and do what the Palestinians want... Everytime they've done this they've gotten burned. Obama's POV seems to be "Make Israel weak equals peace".

    I find that to be at the very least, naive, and at worst malicious.
    I find it amusing that you consider yourself such a MidEast expert that the current peace process seems "naive". Been there done that, eh?
    Bill Clinton very nearly had the knot unraveled in 2000, but Arafat decided he didn't want a legacy as a nation builder. I remember news reports that there could be a Palestinian state in as little as six weeks. Israel agreed to concessions, as the stronger party it must. Asking Palestine to renounce aggression is no small thing.

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    Re: Anti-Obama Rally in Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I find it amusing that you consider yourself such a MidEast expert that the current peace process seems "naive". Been there done that, eh?
    Bill Clinton very nearly had the knot unraveled in 2000, but Arafat decided he didn't want a legacy as a nation builder. I remember news reports that there could be a Palestinian state in as little as six weeks. Israel agreed to concessions, as the stronger party it must. Asking Palestine to renounce aggression is no small thing.
    I see you are ignoring the fact... Israel got burned in that attempt.

    How far backwards do they have to bend for peace when that bend puts them at greater risk?
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    Re: Anti-Obama Rally in Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Peace in the Middle East will not come by kissing Israel's ass, as Bush did. If anyone can negotiate the delicate obstacles to peace, I believe Hillary and Obama can.
    ....as Clinton did, as Bush 41 did, as Reagan did, as Carter did, as Ford did, as Nixon did, as Johnson did, as Kennedy did, as Ike did, as.....
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    Re: Anti-Obama Rally in Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Israel can handle criticism, and they can handle us backing off a little to work for peace in the Mid-East. They may not like the process, but they will like the result.
    You don't know what the result is going to be, so how can you say they'll like the result? Backing down from the Muslims isn't going to achieve peace. Got news for ya on that one.
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    Re: Anti-Obama Rally in Jerusalem

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You don't know what the result is going to be, so how can you say they'll like the result? Backing down from the Muslims isn't going to achieve peace. Got news for ya on that one.
    The result will be that Israel will not be under threat of attack, at least from Palestinians. They will like that.

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