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    Re: Gates says it's time to 'move on' from his arrest

    Know what the problem the Messiah Worshippers are having with this Gates issue?

    That's right.

    They can't admit to themselves that anyone with the holiness of black skin can be a racist. They truly believe racist is a genetic flaw of white skin.

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    Re: Gates says it's time to 'move on' from his arrest

    Yes.

    Anyone wasting their life and the lives of their students with some economically pointless and socially useless program of study like "African American Studies" is a professional turd.

    That college got a course called "White Boy Studies"?

    Nope.
    True story.

    I once walked in to the "Black Student Union" and asked for directions to the "White Student Union" at our local community college. Twenty minutes later, I was summoned out of class to go speak with a school administrator. I was asked to not create any racial disturbances. I was like "wtf?" I'm not the one who created a "Black Student Union." One would think that on a campus comprised of 70% African-Americans, the whites would be in more need of a student union, but noooooo.

    Can you imagine what would happen if there was a room designated as the "White Student Union?" All hell would break loose. So, where's the REAL racism coming from in that situation?
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    Re: Gates says it's time to 'move on' from his arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Know what the problem the Messiah Worshippers are having with this Gates issue?

    That's right.

    They can't admit to themselves that anyone with the holiness of black skin can be a racist. They truly believe racist is a genetic flaw of white skin.
    And you are a pathological liar. You've proven this on many issues.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Gates says it's time to 'move on' from his arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And when Crowley turned to walk away, Gates could have put a knife in his neck, too.
    Oh oh oh I'll play!!!!!!!!

    But also Crowley could have handcuffed Gates to a light pole and stuck a pistol in his mouth and shot him, and the crowd could have burned Gates house down, and and and then.........
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Gates says it's time to 'move on' from his arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    And you are a pathological liar. You've proven this on many issues.
    Uh, no.

    I see you won't admit that Gates is a racist.

    Go ahead, prove my statement wrong, say Gates is a racist.

    Then defend your support of a racist.

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    Re: Gates says it's time to 'move on' from his arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I believe it's possible that this racist wants to move on because someone who is actually intelligent got to the dummy and told him he was open to the law suit hinted at by the Sgt. who busted the mouthy jerk.
    In the court of public opinion only extreme racists came down on his side and even that began to go away when Obama was inundated with with messages pointing out that he, Obama was also a racist.
    Ah, comforting to see that some things never change. Only the "true racists" are busy calling Gates and Obama "racist".

    Well, if you can take your head out of your ass, for a moment, and see what Lawrence O"Donnell wrote in Time Magazine on the subject....and he's a "white, respected journalist". Why don't you accuse him of being "racist"?

    Lawrence O'Donnell: The Stupidity Of The Gates Arrest


    Saturday, Jul. 25, 2009
    Viewpoint: The Stupidity of the Gates Arrest
    By Lawrence O'Donnell Jr.

    Here is what the absurdist, typically stilted language of Sergeant James Crowley's report on the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. really means:

    Gates: You're not the boss of me!
    Crowley: I am the boss of you.
    Gates: You are not the boss of me!
    Crowley: I'll show you. You're under arrest.

    There is no crime described in Crowley's official version of the way Gates behaved. Crowley says explicitly that he arrested Gates for yelling. Nothing else, not a single threatening movement, just yelling. On the steps of his own home. Yelling is not a crime. Yelling does not meet the definition of disorderly conduct in Massachusetts. Not a single shouted word or action that Crowley has attributed to Gates amounts to disorderly conduct. That is why the charges had to be dropped. (Read "Gates' Disorderly Conduct: The Police's Judgment Call.")

    In classically phony police talk, Crowley refers to "[Gates'] continued tumultuous behavior." When cops write that way, you know they have nothing. What is tumultuous behavior? Here's what it isn't: brandishing a knife in a threatening manner, punching and kicking, clenching a fist in a threatening manner, throwing a wrench or, in the Gates house, maybe a book. If the subject does any of those things, cops always write it out with precision. When they've got nothing, they use phrases that mean nothing. Phrases like tumultuous behavior.

    Unless you confess to a crime or threaten to commit a crime, there is nothing you can say to a cop that makes it legal for him to arrest you. You can tell him he is stupid, you can tell him he is ugly, you can call him racist, you can say anything you might feel like saying about his mother. He has taken an oath to listen to all of that and ignore it. That is the real teachable moment here: cops are paid to be professionals, but even the best of them are human and can make stupid mistakes.

    We have an uncomfortable choice with Sergeant Crowley. Either he didn't know what disorderly conduct is or he decided to show Gates who's boss the only way he knew how by whipping out his handcuffs and abusing his power to arrest. Police make the latter choice in this country every day, knowing the charges are going to have to be dropped. (See TIME's 10 Questions for Henry Louis Gates Jr.)

    We all know it happens. That's why so much of the commentary about this case is obsessed with exactly who said what to whom in the Gates home that day. Most white, and some black, TV talking heads obviously believe that Gates was stupid if he actually exercised his constitutional right to say anything he felt like saying to a cop. Because they know it is not terribly difficult to provoke U.S. police to violate their oaths and the law and arrest people for no legal reason.

    The President was right when he called the arrest stupid. It doesn't mean Crowley is stupid. It means that, in that moment, he made a stupid choice. Barack Obama has made some stupid choices on occasion too. We all do. Everyone who is defending Crowley's arrest, including his union, needs to reread his report. There is a crime described in there. In fact, Crowley's report is a written confession of the crime of false arrest.

    Lawrence O'Donnell Jr. is an MSNBC political analyst and the author of Deadly Force: The True Story of How a Badge Can Become a License to Kill.

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    Re: Gates says it's time to 'move on' from his arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by aaronssongs View Post
    Ah, comforting to see that some things never change. Only the "true racists" are busy calling Gates and Obama "racist".

    Well, if you can take your head out of your ass, for a moment, and see what Lawrence O"Donnell wrote in Time Magazine on the subject....and he's a "white, respected journalist". Why don't you accuse him of being "racist"?

    Lawrence O'Donnell: The Stupidity Of The Gates Arrest


    Saturday, Jul. 25, 2009
    Viewpoint: The Stupidity of the Gates Arrest
    By Lawrence O'Donnell Jr.

    Here is what the absurdist, typically stilted language of Sergeant James Crowley's report on the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. really means:

    Gates: You're not the boss of me!
    Crowley: I am the boss of you.
    Gates: You are not the boss of me!
    Crowley: I'll show you. You're under arrest.

    There is no crime described in Crowley's official version of the way Gates behaved. Crowley says explicitly that he arrested Gates for yelling. Nothing else, not a single threatening movement, just yelling. On the steps of his own home. Yelling is not a crime. Yelling does not meet the definition of disorderly conduct in Massachusetts. Not a single shouted word or action that Crowley has attributed to Gates amounts to disorderly conduct. That is why the charges had to be dropped. (Read "Gates' Disorderly Conduct: The Police's Judgment Call.")

    In classically phony police talk, Crowley refers to "[Gates'] continued tumultuous behavior." When cops write that way, you know they have nothing. What is tumultuous behavior? Here's what it isn't: brandishing a knife in a threatening manner, punching and kicking, clenching a fist in a threatening manner, throwing a wrench or, in the Gates house, maybe a book. If the subject does any of those things, cops always write it out with precision. When they've got nothing, they use phrases that mean nothing. Phrases like tumultuous behavior.

    Unless you confess to a crime or threaten to commit a crime, there is nothing you can say to a cop that makes it legal for him to arrest you. You can tell him he is stupid, you can tell him he is ugly, you can call him racist, you can say anything you might feel like saying about his mother. He has taken an oath to listen to all of that and ignore it. That is the real teachable moment here: cops are paid to be professionals, but even the best of them are human and can make stupid mistakes.

    We have an uncomfortable choice with Sergeant Crowley. Either he didn't know what disorderly conduct is or he decided to show Gates who's boss the only way he knew how by whipping out his handcuffs and abusing his power to arrest. Police make the latter choice in this country every day, knowing the charges are going to have to be dropped. (See TIME's 10 Questions for Henry Louis Gates Jr.)

    We all know it happens. That's why so much of the commentary about this case is obsessed with exactly who said what to whom in the Gates home that day. Most white, and some black, TV talking heads obviously believe that Gates was stupid if he actually exercised his constitutional right to say anything he felt like saying to a cop. Because they know it is not terribly difficult to provoke U.S. police to violate their oaths and the law and arrest people for no legal reason.

    The President was right when he called the arrest stupid. It doesn't mean Crowley is stupid. It means that, in that moment, he made a stupid choice. Barack Obama has made some stupid choices on occasion too. We all do. Everyone who is defending Crowley's arrest, including his union, needs to reread his report. There is a crime described in there. In fact, Crowley's report is a written confession of the crime of false arrest.

    Lawrence O'Donnell Jr. is an MSNBC political analyst and the author of Deadly Force: The True Story of How a Badge Can Become a License to Kill.
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    Re: Gates says it's time to 'move on' from his arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Uh, no.

    I see you won't admit that Gates is a racist.

    Go ahead, prove my statement wrong, say Gates is a racist.

    Then defend your support of a racist.
    These are just a few of my thoughts on our dear friend Prof. Gates.

    Is Gates a race baiter? I think that's pretty much obvious.

    And let me reiterate...Gates is a loud mouthed, race baiting douche bag.

    What will the tape show? That Gates was a complete douche bag? We already know that.

    The only thing I think the tapes will show is that Gates was in fact a complete asshole.

    I haven't "supported" Gates at all.

    You're pissed that I've recently crushed so many times in these little tiffs we've had. Maybe if you actually read the threads and their citations you might not trip up so much.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Gates says it's time to 'move on' from his arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    In this particular case, there were how many police ?
    How many Gates ?
    Obstruction of "justice" ??
    What "justice" ?
    If I were Gates, I'd be very angry, and very embarrassed...and I'd still expect to be treated with respect, not as a common criminal.
    We need better police...
    Gates didn't want to cooperate with the investigation. That's obstruction of justice. It's the same thing that Scooter Libby was sent to prison for. All Scooter did was refuse to answer a couple of questions.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Gates says it's time to 'move on' from his arrest

    Quote Originally Posted by aaronssongs View Post
    Ah, comforting to see that some things never change. Only the "true racists" are busy calling Gates and Obama "racist".

    Well, if you can take your head out of your ass, for a moment, and see what Lawrence O"Donnell wrote in Time Magazine on the subject....and he's a "white, respected journalist". Why don't you accuse him of being "racist"?

    Lawrence O'Donnell: The Stupidity Of The Gates Arrest


    Saturday, Jul. 25, 2009
    Viewpoint: The Stupidity of the Gates Arrest
    By Lawrence O'Donnell Jr.

    Here is what the absurdist, typically stilted language of Sergeant James Crowley's report on the arrest of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. really means:

    Gates: You're not the boss of me!
    Crowley: I am the boss of you.
    Gates: You are not the boss of me!
    Crowley: I'll show you. You're under arrest.

    There is no crime described in Crowley's official version of the way Gates behaved. Crowley says explicitly that he arrested Gates for yelling. Nothing else, not a single threatening movement, just yelling. On the steps of his own home. Yelling is not a crime. Yelling does not meet the definition of disorderly conduct in Massachusetts. Not a single shouted word or action that Crowley has attributed to Gates amounts to disorderly conduct. That is why the charges had to be dropped. (Read "Gates' Disorderly Conduct: The Police's Judgment Call.")

    In classically phony police talk, Crowley refers to "[Gates'] continued tumultuous behavior." When cops write that way, you know they have nothing. What is tumultuous behavior? Here's what it isn't: brandishing a knife in a threatening manner, punching and kicking, clenching a fist in a threatening manner, throwing a wrench or, in the Gates house, maybe a book. If the subject does any of those things, cops always write it out with precision. When they've got nothing, they use phrases that mean nothing. Phrases like tumultuous behavior.

    Unless you confess to a crime or threaten to commit a crime, there is nothing you can say to a cop that makes it legal for him to arrest you. You can tell him he is stupid, you can tell him he is ugly, you can call him racist, you can say anything you might feel like saying about his mother. He has taken an oath to listen to all of that and ignore it. That is the real teachable moment here: cops are paid to be professionals, but even the best of them are human and can make stupid mistakes.

    We have an uncomfortable choice with Sergeant Crowley. Either he didn't know what disorderly conduct is or he decided to show Gates who's boss the only way he knew how by whipping out his handcuffs and abusing his power to arrest. Police make the latter choice in this country every day, knowing the charges are going to have to be dropped. (See TIME's 10 Questions for Henry Louis Gates Jr.)

    We all know it happens. That's why so much of the commentary about this case is obsessed with exactly who said what to whom in the Gates home that day. Most white, and some black, TV talking heads obviously believe that Gates was stupid if he actually exercised his constitutional right to say anything he felt like saying to a cop. Because they know it is not terribly difficult to provoke U.S. police to violate their oaths and the law and arrest people for no legal reason.

    The President was right when he called the arrest stupid. It doesn't mean Crowley is stupid. It means that, in that moment, he made a stupid choice. Barack Obama has made some stupid choices on occasion too. We all do. Everyone who is defending Crowley's arrest, including his union, needs to reread his report. There is a crime described in there. In fact, Crowley's report is a written confession of the crime of false arrest.

    Lawrence O'Donnell Jr. is an MSNBC political analyst and the author of Deadly Force: The True Story of How a Badge Can Become a License to Kill.
    I've essentially made the same argument about the arrest in numerous threads. Almost exactly the same argument. I bet this guy read my posts!

    *insert profound statement here*

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