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    Iraq tries to arrest GIs

    Crime’ or self-defense? Iraq tries to arrest GIs
    Deadly Baghdad clash underscores rift over interpretation of U.S.-Iraq deal
    ABU GHRAIB, Iraq - When insurgents attacked an American convoy with AK-47 rounds and a couple of grenades on a dusty highway in a Baghdad suburb this week, U.S. soldiers returned fire, chased the suspects through narrow alleyways and raided houses.

    Tuesday's clash killed two Iraqi adults and a 14-year-old and wounded four people, including two children.

    When the shooting subsided, another confrontation began. A senior Iraqi army commander who arrived at the scene concluded that the Americans had fired indiscriminately at civilians and ordered his men to take the U.S. soldiers into custody. The U.S. military said the soldiers had acted in self-defense and had sought to avoid civilian casualties; U.S. commanders at the scene persuaded the Iraqis to back down.

    The incident, apparently the first time a senior Iraqi commander has sought to detain U.S. soldiers, signals a potential escalation of tensions between U.S. and Iraqi forces trying to find a new equilibrium as Iraq assumes more responsibility for its security.
    It begs the question whether the deadline should be moved up even sooner? I suspect that while this will not be the last incident, I am sure we are going to see more and more in the future.

    In recent days, Iraqis have questioned American soldiers at checkpoints in Baghdad, at times preventing them from driving into neighborhoods. In one incident, an Iraqi soldier drew a weapon on a U.S. armored vehicle, American officials said.....

    ...."I worry that an Iraqi army soldier will shoot at my truck with his 20 AK-47 rounds and my gunner will shoot back with his 100 50-caliber rounds instead of ducking down," a U.S. officer said on the condition of anonymity.

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    Re: Iraq tries to arrest GIs

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Crime’ or self-defense? Iraq tries to arrest GIs
    Deadly Baghdad clash underscores rift over interpretation of U.S.-Iraq deal


    It begs the question whether the deadline should be moved up even sooner? I suspect that while this will not be the last incident, I am sure we are going to see more and more in the future.
    It's wrong to use our Military as "Police". When I served, I was taught to kill the Enemy. Not to play "Nurse-Maid" to a Culture that continually kills each other over a primitive god.

    Bring our People Home. And let it be known that any future attacks against us WILL be the death knell of those that attacked us.

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    Re: Iraq tries to arrest GIs

    Iraq is its own country now with the ability to police and controls its checkpoints, we have no authority next to them. I suggest our troops start defering to their wishes, isn't this what we wanted?


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    Re: Iraq tries to arrest GIs

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    It begs the question whether the deadline should be moved up even sooner? I suspect that while this will not be the last incident, I am sure we are going to see more and more in the future.
    Frankly, I hope we do.

    An Iraqi military that has the backbone to assert itself to the US military forces in Iraq is an Iraqi military with the backbone to protect Iraq.

    This is a positive sign--Iraq soldiers standing up for Iraq.

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    Re: Iraq tries to arrest GIs

    Similar story.

    American troops under ‘house arrest’ after Iraq pullout

    When American troops pulled out of Iraqi cities this month they did not realise quite how final their departure would be. The Iraqi military has since barred them from re-entering areas they previously controlled and all but locked them out of towns and cities.

    US convoys can no longer pass through checkpoints in Baghdad without prior approval and an Iraqi escort.
    American night-time raids in pursuit of insurgents have also been curtailed by Iraqi officials who gained the right to veto all such missions on July 1.

    In several cases, the Iraqis took action themselves; in others the suspected insurgents slipped away.

    The American military has little choice but to comply with the new rules, leaving many units involuntarily confined to their bases. Asked if American troops were in fact under “house arrest”, Robert Gates, the US Defence Secretary, failed to deny the assertion, saying wryly: “It is perhaps a measure of our success in Iraq that politics have come to the country.”
    American troops under ‘house arrest’ after Iraq pullout - Times Online

    US troops may possibly return if all they are doing is lazing around letting the Iraqis do their job :P
    Last edited by Laila; 07-25-09 at 04:47 PM.


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    Re: Iraq tries to arrest GIs

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Frankly, I hope we do.

    An Iraqi military that has the backbone to assert itself to the US military forces in Iraq is an Iraqi military with the backbone to protect Iraq.

    This is a positive sign--Iraq soldiers standing up for Iraq.
    The very second we pull out,,,the Iraqi people know they'll fall right back into Islamic Factions,,,and start killing each other again.

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    Re: Iraq tries to arrest GIs

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    The very second we pull out,,,the Iraqi people know they'll fall right back into Islamic Factions,,,and start killing each other again.
    So you preer we stay there forever then?
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    Re: Iraq tries to arrest GIs

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post

    An Iraqi military that has the backbone to assert itself to the US military forces in Iraq is an Iraqi military with the backbone to protect Iraq.
    Backbone has nothing to do with it. It's easy to stand up to the machine that plays by moral rules. It's like criticizing Superman. What's brave about knowing that he won't snap your neck for it.

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    Re: Iraq tries to arrest GIs

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    So you preer we stay there forever then?
    Personally,,,I'd of "Preferred" to never have entered the fray. "So Damm Insane" was doing a fine job of killing off his own people. And,,, slaughtering everyone around him, all without our help.

    This is called Sarcasm Hobo. Take care.
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    Re: Iraq tries to arrest GIs

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    The very second we pull out,,,the Iraqi people know they'll fall right back into Islamic Factions,,,and start killing each other again.
    So? Let them. If Iraq fails, it will be an Iraqi failure. This was always the case. But the end result for us is that we no longer have to deal with our dictator to the cheers of the UN. Our hands can finally be clean.

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